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.454 Casull Recoil

Posted By: TM

.454 Casull Recoil - 10/12/2015 10:42 PM

Some shooters say they don't like the recoil of the .454, they say it twists and torques in the hand more than other big bores,
they use the .480 Ruger as an example. I have a .454 and have not found the recoil to be terribly unpleasant ( OK, maybe a little)All bullets leave the barrel the same way (?), what causes some much twist and torque from the .454 vs the .480 instead of the straight back and up recoil from say my .44 magnum? I will admit that the .454 is probably not for the timid, biggest bullet I have shot from mine is the 240 gr XTP.
Posted By: tradmark

Re: .454 Casull Recoil - 10/12/2015 11:25 PM

I dont think its bad at all. Uou can make a 480 recoil bad. Same with any big bore its just the 454 was loaded like a maxed out caliber. I have many loads that are mild and dont recoil bad and ive used them on cape buff and other large game. Much ado about nothing imho
Posted By: Whitworth

Re: .454 Casull Recoil - 10/12/2015 11:35 PM

240 grain bullets are pretty light. Start loading 300 + grain bullets to 65,000 psi and recoil goes up significantly.
Posted By: Zee

Re: .454 Casull Recoil - 10/12/2015 11:53 PM

It's relative to the platform. My SRH in .454 Casull with Hogue Rubber grips is nothing more than loud to shoot. Recoil is simply abrupt with 300gr WFN-GC.

My SBH Bisley in .454 Casull with metal blackstrap and wood panels is both lighter and more rigid in the grip. The same abrupt recoil , albeit more abrupt due to the lesser gun weight, is more abusive to my wrist in the end.

It's nothing to do with torque or twist. Just the difference in being hit with a rubber play hammer at the base of the palm..............or a roofing hammer.
Posted By: racksmasher1

Re: .454 Casull Recoil - 10/13/2015 12:18 AM

 Originally Posted By: Whitworth
240 grain bullets are pretty light. Start loading 300 + grain bullets to 65,000 psi and recoil goes up significantly.
I"ll say!!!!
Posted By: TM

Re: .454 Casull Recoil - 10/13/2015 2:50 AM

My .454 is the Ruger Toklat with the Hogue rubber monogrip.
Posted By: bluecow

Re: .454 Casull Recoil - 10/13/2015 8:57 AM

five rounds from a F.A. was enough for me. hit my palms like a bat and tried to climb out of my grip at the same time. for those that like em more power to you. for me; what little i cant do with my 44 then ill use a rifle. a big one.
Posted By: Handgunner400

Re: .454 Casull Recoil - 10/15/2015 5:21 AM

My SRH in .454 with 300gr XTPs is not unpleasant to shoot at all. Yes, there is some torque but not really an issue especially compared to my Encore .460.
Posted By: racksmasher1

Re: .454 Casull Recoil - 10/15/2015 10:52 AM

TM, I have done a EXTENSIVE amount in shooting my new FA 83,using 300 gr. Hornady XTP bullets,it is a snappy round to shoot, what I found was when I was experimenting with different powders was a huge decrease in recoil using IMR 4227, compared to H-110, and Win. 296, i have loads using all 3 powders, all are accurate, and push the bullet pretty fast.
Posted By: Handgunner400

Re: .454 Casull Recoil - 10/15/2015 9:20 PM

 Originally Posted By: racksmasher1
TM, I have done a EXTENSIVE amount in shooting my new FA 83,using 300 gr. Hornady XTP bullets,it is a snappy round to shoot, what I found was when I was experimenting with different powders was a huge decrease in recoil using IMR 4227, compared to H-110, and Win. 296, i have loads using all 3 powders, all are accurate, and push the bullet pretty fast.


Just for curiosity sake (and availability of powder) how does IMR 4227 chrono compared to H110?
Posted By: racksmasher1

Re: .454 Casull Recoil - 10/16/2015 12:29 AM

50 fps slower out of my gun
Posted By: billa

Re: .454 Casull Recoil - 10/16/2015 2:01 AM

Here are a few general concepts about gun movement, felt recoil, etc. Perhaps these are obvious to all. If so I apologize for boring you.

Recoil is a factor of the following:
Gun weight
Distance the bore sits above the pivot point (wrist)
Barrel length
Bullet weight
Energy generated by the powder charge - however you measure it. CUPs, FPS, etc.
(Felt recoil also has a lot to do with the stocks fitting your hand and the stock material and style). It is certainly unpleasant to shoot a large bore handgun if the grip does not fit your hand.

Gun weight is a given. Heavier gun = less recoil.
Gun shape. The higher the barrel is from the hand the more muzzle flip. The lower the barrel the more push back you feel. A longer barrel tends to have less muzzle rise.
Torque is a secondary factor in overall recoil as the rifling imparts spin on the bullet. A larger caliber bullet does generate more torque than a smaller caliber bullet of like weight and velocity as the moment arm of the bullet is larger.

Bullet weight and force generated by the powder burn are the main factors in recoil. Obvious but heavier bullets and heavier powder charges create more recoil.

Gun style. Generally speaking SA revolvers are designed to have more muzzle rise and the curved grip is designed to pivot as the muzzle rises although the straighter Bisley grips seem to pivot less and push back more for me than the traditional plow handle.
DA revolvers and Contender / Encores push back more. The added weight of a scope certainly dampens recoil and muzzle rise.

Remember, these are general factors that are based on Newton 's laws of motion. I hopes this helps to clear up any misconceptions on recoil.
Posted By: Handgunner400

Re: .454 Casull Recoil - 10/17/2015 1:34 PM

 Originally Posted By: racksmasher1
50 fps slower out of my gun


Thanks, that's not much.
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