|
 Re: Stepping up to the big boys...
[Re: 98Redline]
#128793
02/20/2013 6:46 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 9,836
Whitworth
Shootist
|
|
Shootist
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 9,836 |
|
|
|
|
Re: Stepping up to the big boys...
[Re: 98Redline]
#128795
02/20/2013 6:49 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 425
linebaugh
addict
|
|
addict
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 425 |
I personally really enjoy my 475, but it's more of a shootability issue. If you can efficently shoot that caliber your ok, but if it causes recoil flinch then it's not worth stepping up. I would rather shoot a 44 well, then shoot a 475 and struggle with hitting what I'm trying to.
A 44mag can kill a grizzly as well. I've read of hunter taking them with 357mag (nothing I would wanta try), but it's been done.I guess what I'm trying to say is, shoot what caliber you shoot well and stick with that..
//Psalms 42:1//
|
|
|
|
Re: Stepping up to the big boys...
[Re: linebaugh]
#128809
02/20/2013 9:26 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,725
500WE
Pooh-Bah
|
|
Pooh-Bah
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,725 |
I agree. My chosen bear guns are .475's, but the .44 Magnum will be adequate in the hands of a clear headed good shooter.
To your question on recoil, there is a very significant difference between a full charge .44 Magnum, and a full charge .454 Casull or .475 Linebaugh. Yes, people perceive recoil differently, and the grip shape and gun weight are important factors, but those factors being equal, the recoil is definitely a step or two up.
Of course, a handloader can make the recoil and power level be what he or she wants. If you want a .475, buy it (I certainly understand that), but for the black bear hunting situation you describe, you can shoot the blazes out of your .44 Mag., and be happy with it, and well served by it.
|
|
|
|
Re: Stepping up to the big boys...
[Re: 500WE]
#128812
02/20/2013 11:30 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 7,655
wapitirod
Shootist
|
|
Shootist
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 7,655 |
Honestly I have a 44spcl I built on a 3 screw frame with a 3" barrel and I'm running 255gr CP hardcasts full tilt and at defensive distances which are normally going to be the same as with people, under 21ft the gun is going to most likely end to end an avg grizz. These aren't the big coastal brownies of AK so weight they are going to be similiar to an elk. The spcl lacks some of the shock value and if I had my way I'd rather have a bigger gun but I wouldn't feel defenseless by any means with that little package.
I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them. John Wayne-The Shootist
|
|
|
|
Re: Stepping up to the big boys...
[Re: SBHunter81]
#128815
02/20/2013 11:53 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,556
junebug
Gun Slinger
|
|
Gun Slinger
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,556 |
In your post you said [if the bear spray fails].If it does you are going to be at hand shaking distance already and you better have something in your other hand besides bearspray.You are not going to have time to drop your primary gun if its in your hand and pull something else.So stoke it with something that will work
on black bears or [heaven forbid] grizzly.Chances are if the SHTF it will require a head shot and you can't have to much penetration so hard cast heavy for caliber and pour it to him.
junebug
|
|
|
|
Re: Stepping up to the big boys...
[Re: junebug]
#128827
02/21/2013 3:28 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 493
SBHunter81
OP
addict
|
|
OP
addict
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 493 |
So I think I will stick with the 44 for now. I shoot it well and know it in and out. The hunt is spring bear and is only two months away and I don't want to rush trying to learn another.
The guy I am hunting with will have a 454 and we will stick together for the most part.
The God who gave us such a beautiful land, wonderful game, and the sport of hunting is worth knowing.
|
|
|
|
Re: Stepping up to the big boys...
[Re: GlennS]
#128830
02/21/2013 3:38 AM
|
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 335
S.B.
enthusiast
|
|
enthusiast
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 335 |
Ruger has brought back their .480 this year? Good power with not so bad recoil(I'm told).
Steve
"The Original Point and Click Interface was a Smith & Wesson."
|
|
|
|
Re: Stepping up to the big boys...
[Re: S.B.]
#128834
02/21/2013 3:51 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 7,655
wapitirod
Shootist
|
|
Shootist
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 7,655 |
I think that is probably the smart play this close to the hunt and the odds of being charged are minimal. I've actually talked to some guys who say the worst problems are in the fall when a gun shot during deer and elk season is like ringing the dinner bell for them. Just load a quality bullet whether jacketed or cast and make sure it shoots to point. In most of those situations you aren't going to have time to take a bead anyways.
I will actually practice that way for self defense against two and four legged critters. I'll practice shooting from the hip or one handed just pointing.
Last edited by wapitirod; 02/21/2013 3:52 AM.
I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them. John Wayne-The Shootist
|
|
|
|
Re: Stepping up to the big boys...
[Re: SBHunter81]
#128842
02/21/2013 11:51 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 9,836
Whitworth
Shootist
|
|
Shootist
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 9,836 |
So I think I will stick with the 44 for now. I shoot it well and know it in and out. The hunt is spring bear and is only two months away and I don't want to rush trying to learn another.
The guy I am hunting with will have a 454 and we will stick together for the most part. Wise decision particularly with the time constraints. SB -- yup, I have a new .480 SRH in my possession. Hoping to shoot it next weekend. Will report back here when I do.
|
|
|
|
Re: Stepping up to the big boys...
[Re: Whitworth]
#128844
02/21/2013 12:38 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 493
SBHunter81
OP
addict
|
|
OP
addict
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 493 |
Someone mentioned the punch bullets. I do not handload ( have all the gear but no one to show me how, and I haven't had the time to teach myself). Do they sell these loaded?
The God who gave us such a beautiful land, wonderful game, and the sport of hunting is worth knowing.
|
|
|
|
Re: Stepping up to the big boys...
[Re: SBHunter81]
#128845
02/21/2013 1:23 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 3,020
tradmark
Shooting Expert
|
|
Shooting Expert
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 3,020 |
Yup grizzly does. Very expensive and definitely a good bullet. The best penetrator period
|
|
|
|
Re: Stepping up to the big boys...
[Re: tradmark]
#128855
02/21/2013 5:00 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 493
wyote
addict
|
|
addict
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 493 |
Personally I carry S&W 329 in 44mag (which is great for carrying but not my first choice), a 5 1/2 inch Ruger Bisley in 45 colt, and if I'm hunting I usually have a FA 454.
With all that said, I know 4 guys from right around here that have been wacked by grizzlies in the last 7 or 8 years. 3 of them were carrying at the time, 2 had 44 mags and the other a 45 ACP. ALL of them said things happened so fast they didn't even have time to grab there guns.
From those limited encounters I would think if you can get off one shot your doing good. IMO you should use what your familiar and comfortable with.
|
|
|
|
Re: Stepping up to the big boys...
[Re: wyote]
#128872
02/21/2013 8:31 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 3,020
tradmark
Shooting Expert
|
|
Shooting Expert
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 3,020 |
i see nothing better for bears than a ruger alaskan in any of the calibers they come in. if ya get hit by a bear before ya can get the gun out it's DA and short enough ya may be able to get it out and get a contact shot or two. get some night sites if ya ever go that route too.
|
|
|
|
Re: Stepping up to the big boys...
[Re: tradmark]
#128892
02/22/2013 12:16 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 9,608
s4s4u
Shootist
|
|
Shootist
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 9,608 |
Agree on the Alaskan. But, chances are you won't have time to find the sights if a bear attacks so I wouldn't be too concerned about them ;-)
That said, a rear peep and a fiber optic front might make it more than just a back up tool.
Rod, too.
Short cuts often lead to long recoveries.
|
|
|
|
Re: Stepping up to the big boys...
[Re: s4s4u]
#128916
02/22/2013 3:08 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 28
warthog97
newbie
|
|
newbie
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 28 |
I don't have any experience with the Buffalo Bore 305s, but I've shot the 340gr +P+ Buffalo Bore ammo out of my SBHH and am amazed at how controllable this volcanic eruption is. Truly an amazing load, the moment I shot it I knew I'd never need to by anything more powerful than the 44 Mag.
Then I bought a BFR in 475 Linebaugh, I guess because I WANTED something more powerful. Forget what the energy numbers suggest, the 475 is completely in a different recoil class than the +P+ load from BB. I'm not sure you could go wrong in either case, but I gotta think the 475 would put a much bigger hurt on a grizz. It comes down to whether you are a 9mm or a 45 ACP guy; pick your poison, more shots or a bigger hole?
|
|
|
|
Re: Stepping up to the big boys...
[Re: warthog97]
#128935
02/22/2013 11:05 AM
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 3,625
Raptortrapper
Shooting Master
|
|
Shooting Master
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 3,625 |
pick your poison, more shots or a bigger hole?
Ummm.... How about more shots that make a bigger hole??? 
Last edited by raptortrapper; 02/22/2013 11:05 AM.
A lot of people are like a slinky: Not much fun till you push them down the stairs!
Lifetime Member of the NRA! Wish I'd a done it sooner.
|
|
|
|
Re: Stepping up to the big boys...
[Re: warthog97]
#128950
02/22/2013 3:06 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 9,608
s4s4u
Shootist
|
|
Shootist
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 9,608 |
more shots or a bigger hole Iffin a big bear is in your face, you may get one. If that. Make it a big one ;-)
Rod, too.
Short cuts often lead to long recoveries.
|
|
|
|
Re: Stepping up to the big boys...
[Re: s4s4u]
#128951
02/22/2013 3:10 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 9,836
Whitworth
Shootist
|
|
Shootist
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 9,836 |
more shots or a bigger hole Iffin a big bear is in your face, you may get one. If that. Make it a big one ;-) Exactly. I really don't believe there will be time for multiple shots unless of course you end up underneath it at which point I want a double action revolver in a big caliber.
|
|
|
|
Re: Stepping up to the big boys...
[Re: Whitworth]
#128958
02/22/2013 4:42 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 7,655
wapitirod
Shootist
|
|
Shootist
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 7,655 |
Hell I was watching that Wild West Guns the other day and there was a guy that back in 91 when he was in his late 60's killed a grizz with his folding buck. If he can do it I'm sure you can too 
I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them. John Wayne-The Shootist
|
|
|
|
Re: Stepping up to the big boys...
[Re: wapitirod]
#128979
02/22/2013 7:39 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 493
SBHunter81
OP
addict
|
|
OP
addict
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 493 |
Now that I would pay to see!
The God who gave us such a beautiful land, wonderful game, and the sport of hunting is worth knowing.
|
|
|
|
Re: Stepping up to the big boys...
[Re: GlennS]
#129172
02/26/2013 5:06 AM
|
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 5
Rainman_mark
stranger
|
|
stranger
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 5 |
I would think the 44 would work.
Time orbit we just one solitude of the subway.
|
|
|
|
Re: Stepping up to the big boys...
[Re: SBHunter81]
#129181
02/26/2013 12:04 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 2,276
cfish2
Pooh-Bah
|
|
Pooh-Bah
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 2,276 |
Truth is, when in bear country your best bet is to carry the biggest bore revolver you can handle. Also, yo'll want to carry a nice piece of filet. When you see the bear and he decides to charge take the filet and drape it over the barrel of your big bore and place your sacrificial limb as far out in front of you as possible. When the bear goes for the filet make that one shot count just as it bites down on the bait. No more bear problems. Oh and please report back and let us know if this technique works. It's still in the theory phase so your field trial will be great for the research team.
All kidding aside, I love my 480 and look forward to shooting my 475 when its done. The 480 is a very manageable round that's not punishing to the end user.
Life Member NAHC
HHI Member #7149
NRA Member
|
|
|
|
Re: Stepping up to the big boys...
[Re: cfish2]
#129183
02/26/2013 12:24 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 9,836
Whitworth
Shootist
|
|
Shootist
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 9,836 |
Truth is, when in bear country your best bet is to carry the biggest bore revolver you can handle. Also, yo'll want to carry a nice piece of filet. When you see the bear and he decides to charge take the filet and drape it over the barrel of your big bore and place your sacrificial limb as far out in front of you as possible. When the bear goes for the filet make that one shot count just as it bites down on the bait. No more bear problems. Oh and please report back and let us know if this technique works. It's still in the theory phase so your field trial will be great for the research team.
All kidding aside, I love my 480 and look forward to shooting my 475 when its done. The 480 is a very manageable round that's not punishing to the end user. Hahaha! Very good!
|
|
|
|
Re: Stepping up to the big boys...
[Re: Whitworth]
#129189
02/26/2013 2:14 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 7,655
wapitirod
Shootist
|
|
Shootist
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 7,655 |
I always wanted to find one of these tree huggers that chained themselves to a tree and put a second pad lock on it and cover them in honey and bacon grease and come back in a couple days and see how they are doing.
All kidding aside sounds like you are making the right decision by staying with what your comfortabl with for this hunt. When you get a chance try shooting some big bores if you can find someone around you with them, otherwise just pick what you want and start out with a comfortable load and work up slowly to where your comfortable. Then when you go out you'll be ready for T Rex.
I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them. John Wayne-The Shootist
|
|
|
|
Re: Stepping up to the big boys...
[Re: wapitirod]
#129209
02/26/2013 11:45 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 104
TGC
member
|
|
member
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 104 |
This reminds me---- I read one time, all one needs is a .22. Shoot your buddy in the knee. waaahhh.
|
|
|
|
Re: Stepping up to the big boys...
[Re: GlennS]
#129228
02/27/2013 8:32 AM
|
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 976
doc with a glock
old hand
|
|
old hand
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 976 |
SB....,
Lincoln, MT is about 50 miles away from my front door. Yes there are grizz in that country; however, the wolf contacts are becoming the most frequent encounter. The key is not to hunt alone, "covering your back" becomes more than a saying. Oh yah, practice your point shooting! A grizz encounter is a rare but memorable event. I've come within sight of 4 or 5; however, never had a charge. It is beautiful country, God's country.
Doc
|
|
|
|
Re: Stepping up to the big boys...
[Re: doc with a glock]
#129247
02/27/2013 10:05 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 7,331
TCTex.
Shootist
|
|
Shootist
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 7,331 |
Doc-point shooting?
Is that the same as instinctive shooting?
Duane
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb Benjamin Franklin 
|
|
|
|
Re: Stepping up to the big boys...
[Re: TCTex.]
#129268
02/28/2013 2:25 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 7,655
wapitirod
Shootist
|
|
Shootist
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 7,655 |
yep, that's what it is. I had mentioned earlier in this post that I practice the same for self defense from two legged and four legged critters. I shoot from the hip as well as straight armed. I used to practice clearing leather with an empty gun of course.
I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them. John Wayne-The Shootist
|
|
|
|
|
0 registered members (),
50
guests, and 0
spiders. |
|
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
