Re: swift a frame vs xtp.
[Re: Whitworth]
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10/17/2016 11:56 PM
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Then surely a light saber would be a more effective tool than an XTP. I'd love to test that one!!!
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Re: swift a frame vs xtp.
[Re: Whitworth]
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10/18/2016 12:22 AM
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Then surely a light saber would be a more effective tool than an XTP....😄 ![](http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c106/lovinmycaitlynn/Funny/bd1_zps7qbipext.jpg)
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Re: swift a frame vs xtp.
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10/18/2016 4:07 PM
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Re: swift a frame vs xtp.
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10/18/2016 6:30 PM
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Re: swift a frame vs xtp.
[Re: Whitworth]
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10/18/2016 7:43 PM
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wow Whitworth. pretty bad. Recently all i have shot at are whitetails but maybe in december when I shoot some does with it I will try to hit bone.
great post till the force came with us, SnT
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Re: swift a frame vs xtp.
[Re: SnookNTarpon]
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10/18/2016 7:53 PM
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Humor not allowed on the forum?
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Re: swift a frame vs xtp.
[Re: Zee]
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10/18/2016 8:10 PM
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Re: swift a frame vs xtp.
[Re: jamesfromjersey]
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10/18/2016 8:17 PM
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Referring to the one above my last. By all means, carry on.
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Re: swift a frame vs xtp.
[Re: Zee]
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10/18/2016 8:29 PM
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Maybe someday if we every get to meet I`ll explain..
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Re: swift a frame vs xtp.
[Re: jamesfromjersey]
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10/18/2016 8:32 PM
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That would be kinda cool.
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Re: swift a frame vs xtp.
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10/18/2016 8:38 PM
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Love to go hunt boar with you......
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Re: swift a frame vs xtp.
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10/18/2016 10:06 PM
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Re: swift a frame vs xtp.
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10/19/2016 12:23 AM
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sad to read this stuff.... With all of our gun rights going to hell its tough to hear that ammo quality is following the same path....
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Re: swift a frame vs xtp.
[Re: jamesfromjersey]
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10/19/2016 1:55 AM
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This is part of the reason I roll my own, I have better quality control and design control than any MFG. I am huge fan of cast bullets and with Mihec making some really nice GC HP moulds and having control of the alloy and loads thus velocity. Companies like Accurate make some really nice 4-6 cavity moulds. They make various designs such as LFN, RF, WFN and full heavy weight wad cutters or as they are sometimes called "hammers". There many great MFG out there. Cast bullets are very effective on game and can run a wide variety of applications.
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Re: swift a frame vs xtp.
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10/19/2016 2:00 AM
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http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4711043/m/3711001022
apparently hornady may be finding some quality control issues across their line. In my personal experience the heads started to separate on their 30-30 brass after 3-4 reloads. Other brands going strong at 2x that. I do like their v-max bullets in 223 and 30-30.
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Re: swift a frame vs xtp.
[Re: Ramjet-SS]
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10/19/2016 1:07 PM
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This is part of the reason I roll my own, I have better quality control and design control than any MFG. I am huge fan of cast bullets and with Mihec making some really nice GC HP moulds and having control of the alloy and loads thus velocity. Companies like Accurate make some really nice 4-6 cavity moulds. They make various designs such as LFN, RF, WFN and full heavy weight wad cutters or as they are sometimes called "hammers". There many great MFG out there. Cast bullets are very effective on game and can run a wide variety of applications. I'm a big consumer of hardcast bullets myself, but I don't cast because I simply don't have the time or the patience at this point. That said, in a .454, where you are trying to squeeze out the last bit of velocity, cast bullets are the wrong tool. They work great within a certain velocity window, but when driven hard, the material's ability to conform is severely compromised. The A-frame is one tough bullet. Every one we recovered expanded minimally and held together. Can't say the same for the XTPs. Now, that said, for deer they work great.
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Re: swift a frame vs xtp.
[Re: Whitworth]
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10/19/2016 5:30 PM
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and, as i've always said and was shown this last hunt, not only are not all expandables equal, neither are all hardcast bullets. the variations were extreme and there was alot of smeared noses that i wouldn't hunt dangerous game with, but there were successes as well. all i can say is garrett's are about the hardest hardcast i've ever seen, and tough and that the beartooth's failed miserably at pretty modest velocity and they had been my favorite. they work well on small to medium sized game and then when used on the big stuff........failure. i was most disappointed. i don't subscribe to any theory or favorites, just to what i see in front of me! sad thing is as of a few years ago i almost shot hornady and beartooth exclusively and now i'm on barnes, garrett, monometal solids and punch bullets and of course, the a frames.
i am gonna give the garretts a go though, damn those things are good.
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Re: swift a frame vs xtp.
[Re: Whitworth]
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10/19/2016 5:35 PM
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after seeing the 325gr A-frames performance from Trademarks 454 I believe that Jack Huntington replied that there finally is a hunting bullet to handle the 454`s high pressure... can`t be sure if those were the words...
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Re: swift a frame vs xtp.
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10/19/2016 5:53 PM
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i am gonna give the garretts a go though, damn those things are good.
Mark, A number of years ago I ordered some of Garrett`s 330gr Hammerheads for my 44 Redhawk. Topped the gun with a 4x Leupold and shot them at 100 yards. I was surprised to get sub 3" groups and got in touch with Randy saying how these cast bullets turned my bullet preference`s upside down because I was a jacketed only handloader... What an interesting conversation we had on the pros and cons of hard cast bullets.. Garrett make`s quality ammunition.....
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Re: swift a frame vs xtp.
[Re: jamesfromjersey]
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10/19/2016 6:08 PM
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I've gotten outstanding accuracy from Garrett ammo. I also shot a water buffalo last year with their 405 grain .45 Colt +P+ load and it worked well. Had two near exits and one exit of three shots I took on this animal. It was my biggest water buffalo to date. ![](http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f196/MarkoR/DSC_0696.jpg) ![](http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f196/MarkoR/DSC_0599.jpg)
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Re: swift a frame vs xtp.
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10/19/2016 10:44 PM
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That's awesome. Yea alloy has to be correct for the application. That being said I am big proponent of testing on comparative basis in different media. Ahead by far is first hand experience so long as it is not a disaster resulting in un-recovered wounded animal.
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