Hi Guy's
I'm new to the forum, but not new to handgun hunting.I've been big game hunting w/handguns since 1980. I've read some on the forum for awhile,and found that you are a great bunch of guys. Was hoping you'd let me jump in and join you? I will say that you are a bunch of trouble makers though. I was perfectly fine hunting w/my revolvers, and now I just ordered a G2 in 12'' 44 Mag.(Mama's wondering what's gotten into me.)

I have a question on the G2. I like to shoot the 300 GRN. Hdy. XTP on the lower crimp groove and was wondering if that is possible to do without it hitting the rifling.
thanks

welcome norm i cant help with g2 dont have one but stick around
and i will help you spend your money

i think someone can
help you again welcome.
larry

On the 10" bbl mine hits on the 12" you can just barly get it in. I opt for the first one it fits in everything that way.

I use 15.5 of 2400 on the 300 xtp
shoots well

http://www.handgunhunt.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=900&limit=recent

WELCOME to Handgun Hunt norm!!

If you stick around much, all your extra money will be spent. It's contagious around here, buying handguns, barrels,....ect.

Thanks H2OBUG
Do you have an idea as to the vel. your getting.Sweet group on the photopost.
Thanks Larry223 and Tigger for the welcome.

Hey Tigger
My daughter and I like to play hangman. I used your saying (NEVER moon a Werewolf) It took her awhile to get it ,butt when she finally did we had the biggest laugh,it was great.

Norm,
Welcome aboard. Lots of good guys here and lots of great information on this board. I have a 10" barrel in 44mag and shoot 300 grain hardcast bullets crimped in the second (closest to bullet base) without any trouble. The barrel will let you know if there is a problem. If you have to force the action closed you loads could be too long.
Rick

Welcome to the sight!

I don’t know but I am also wondering if setting on the second crimp line would affect accuracy. I use the 300 XTP over 21 grains of H110 in SRH and it is shooting 2 ½ in groups at 100’s. Don’t know if that helps or not but I can only see the one crimp line in my loaded shell.

I am getting about 1200 FPS with that load the 310 WFNGC True Shot with the same charge will make about 50fps more @ 1250. The True Shot may be the more accurate load but the barrel is left with a lot of lube. At that point you are splitting hairs anyway. If your barrel allowed for the next crimp you could go to 18.0 gr of the 2400 and get close to 1500 with the 300 xtp. that would be a zipper.

Hi there good to have you aboard. My Buddy hunts with a G2 in 44 mag using 300 gn xtp's and loves it. He also crimps on the first groove. Seem's to work good.

Lars

Thanks Guy's
I guess I'll find out when I get it in, and load some rounds up for it. If it's not hard to close I could load up a dummy round and smoke the bullet w/ a match to see if the bullet is making contact w/ the rifling.
Norm

Welcome aboard Norm. I'm a wheelgun man and don't own a specilty handgun, but the more time I spend on here, the more I wouldn't mind owning one.

COOL!! How old is your daughter? Does she hunt and shoot yet? Mines 13 and loves it!

Must be you changed your user name, or my meds are really strong tonight!! LOL<LOL<LOL

She,s 12 and will be 13 in Dec. She,s not really into the hole shooting and hunting thing.(Her words not mine) My older girl is very much a hunter and shooter.She shot her first buck w/handgun last year.The girl is an amazing shot.

Yes I did change my user name, it was suppose to be wheelguns the first time I just messed up.Or it could be the meds Tigger!!

I think you will do just fine here! LOL Another welcomed comic relief!

Would the XTP range of bullets handle higher speeds up to 1600 fps for the 300 grain and 2000 fps for the 240 grain?

I am thinking so. The Hornady reloading book lists the XTP bullets in the Contender platform for 44 Mag. The velocities are 1800 fps for the 240 grain and 1400 fps for the 300 grain. It also lists the XTP for the 444 Marlin.2400 fps for the 200, 2200 fps for the 240, and 1900 fps for the 300. From my understanding, they “XTP Mag” bullets is its partition counterpart.

Hunlee really like 240 grain and 300 grain xtp bullet from 44mag!!!!!

hunlee

Rupe, hang in there, and don't let these guys take you down the dark path.I haven't even got my G2 in yet and I'm already thinking about getting an extra barrel in 7-30 Waters.Man I'm hopeless.
Norm

norm that is what we like to see here and rupe is sofar down
the dark path he cant get back already

Than I must be seeing the light. I came from the dark side. I started a die hard Contender/Encore fan and now own 3 revolvers. Go figure.

One must maintain balance between the Dark side and Light Grasshopper

I tried walking toward the light, but God turned me around and kicked me back and said "you are not done buying yet!" So who am I to argue? Hum? now how much were they asking for that Contender? LOL

I agree wheelguns my wife hates this web site . She say's it encourages me to much.

Lars

I must be luck, my Wife came with her own truck, rifle, shotgun, and tent. All I had to do was drive her out to the deer stand.

I'm quite fortunate, my Wolf feeds me obsession. About once a year she asks what I want for Christmas~Birthday~fun toy. I just give her the info and it usually comes in a week later.

That's how I got the 480, was a 10th year anniversary present. The 500 was a Christmas gift.

And NO you guys can NOT borrow her!!! LOL<LOL<LOL

I did some lookin around and found that the Hornady manual lists the max load for 2400 at 17.1 for the 300 gr bullet. So I called them and asked if they had data in the 300 XTP 44 seated out on the second CL. They said NOPE! So I asked what would be a good guess? He stated that 2.0 gr over the max listed would most likely max out the round with the 2400 powder. With that said Allinat the powder MFG. says 15.9 is the max on the 300 gr bullet. Now that is with it seated back. I have been shooting 15.5 for some time and it is quite mild. I think I can move this 300 gr XTP up and out a little better but I am thinking these will be Ruger and T/C loads only no shooting them in the old S&W 29's. I would like to find a good Hog / Deer load that will shoot as well as the 15.5 load. I just hope the accuracy does not go down as I increase the vel. There is no question that i would like to have the 300 moving a little faster but i do not want to get into pressure issues.

If you are loading 300 grainers in a 44 mag, I would opt for H110 or W296 as my fuel source. I use 305 grain cast SSK mold in my SBH with 21.5 grains of W296.

Mike

That is good to know Bug, looks like I have some more test rounds to play with.

W-296 is the powder of choice for the extended loading of the 300 gr XTP. This is known as the "10.9 mm Ruger Magnum" and is definitely not a load for the S & W revolvers because of cylinder length. Extended revolver loadings for this bullet should be limited to the Ruger SRH and SBH revolvers. The "10.9 mm Ruger Magnum" reference first appeared in a Shooting Times article by Layne Simpson some years ago, but was recently mentioned by Brian Pearce in his column in Handloader Magazine. Charge weights are substantially above maximum for standard length rounds. IMHO, in addition to more velocity with less pressure, the extended loading in extremely accurate in my SRH because "bullet jump" distance is minimized.

I've started experimenting with 300gr XTPs and other bullets in my heavily customized S&W m29-2, sporting a 11" barrel. I haven't tried W296, but Vihtavuori N110 seems to be much better than H110.

With the 300gr XTP, I get an average of 1266 fps from a charge of 19.5grs N110, compared to 1239 fps from 21grs H110. The standard deviation is also better, 22.2 fps for N110 compared to 36.9 fps for H110.

With a 310gr Oregon Trail LFP, I get 1372 fps on average with 19grs N110, compared to 1334 fps with 20grs H110. Here, the standard deviation was comparable, and very good: 10.1 fps with N110 and 12.6 with H110.

Some caveats: I haven't been able to test the long-range precision of these loads yet, and the Vihtavuori powders - made as they are in Finland, of all countries

- might be difficult to purchase in the U.S. It's a standard fodder here in Scandinavia, though. A disadvantage compared to H110 is that N110 needs more space. Max loads thus tend to get compressed.

But I will try 20grs of N110 before I'm done. Vihtavuori recommends 20.1 grs as a max load and my experience with those crazy Finns is such that I will stay somewhat below the max.....

you can actually find the N110 at most of the "good" stores that carry reloading supplies.

Rod if I remember right we had a similar conversation on the phone the other day about this. Looks like we were right!

yes sir we did.

With 20.0 grs VV N110, I get on average 1298 fps with the 300 grs XTP from my 11" S&W m/29-2. I believe this is what could safely be obtained in a revolver. The velocity is approaching cast bullet velocity and this is good enough. The report is brisk but by no means unbearable, given the heavy gun (almost 6 pounds with all the gadgets on). I'd be surprised if this would not be a good deer load. Will continue experimenting.

Mike