Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
[Re: TCScout]
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12/16/2012 1:11 AM
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Great accomplishment for the young man. Any elk with a handgun is a wonderful trophy!
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Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
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12/16/2012 2:55 PM
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I have been a long time fan of the .357, and you can realize the potential with the contender.
Your son did very well, and you did too, to support him and spend the time with him so he was ready for the hunt. More important than taking the animal was the time you spent together, that makes memories that last a life time.
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Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
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12/16/2012 5:30 PM
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EricS
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Great job. I am a fan of the .357 and am glad he had a positive end for a tough to get tag. He is probably the first to kill an elk in Kentucky with a 357.
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Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
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12/16/2012 6:03 PM
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Where is "Kentucky Elk". I would love to see and congrats! I hunt with a t/c exclusively and have gotten deer with various calibers. I live in Ky but, have never been drawn for an elk tag.
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Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
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12/16/2012 6:35 PM
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Where is "Kentucky Elk". I would love to see and congrats! I hunt with a t/c exclusively and have gotten deer with various calibers. I live in Ky but, have never been drawn for an elk tag. Gun guy, go to the bragging board (location of photos) and his photo is titled "Kentucky elk".
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Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
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12/17/2012 4:28 PM
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"A quiet hit in the right place is better than a loud miss in the wrong place followed by 10 more shots on the run"
I was a handgun hunter, when handgun wasn't cool.....
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Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
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12/17/2012 6:32 PM
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Wow! congratulations to both of you!
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Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
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Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
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12/18/2012 1:13 AM
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357MAX, 30-30 ACKLEY, 375 WIN, 41 MAG.
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Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
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12/18/2012 6:41 AM
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Larry in SD
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Congrats to both of you, and you have every right to be a proud papa.
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Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
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12/23/2012 6:26 PM
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Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
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12/27/2012 11:34 AM
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campbellkids
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I have hunted elk for 40 years and i would never have expected a one shot kill clear through the elk with a 357 pistol. Great shooting. Here in Idaho, with my luck, I would have had to chase that cow over two or three mountain ridges and spend two hard days hauling it back to camp. Enjoy the ivories!
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Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
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12/29/2012 4:37 AM
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Congrats to both of you....Nice job
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Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
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01/13/2013 6:06 PM
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LouisB
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After this has carried on this many pages how about a repost of the final results info here or a link.
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Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
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02/13/2013 5:13 AM
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Zebadi'ah
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I'm assuming a mature cow elk in KEntucky might be smaller than in Montana. Several years ago I chose to shoot a buffalo with a 44 mag 240grain Speer FMJ hotloaded and the results were bad! I head shot it at 35 yards and the first shot went through the skull and into the hillside just flenched like a bee sting and didn't hit the ground, 2nd shot missed the 1st hole by a couple inches through the skull into the hillside with the same reaction the 3rd shot was a little lower and further forward all within few inches of each other. This buffalo still standing decided enough was enough and left the area and about 3 hours later I found the buffalo still alive but bleeding out. It took another shot to finish it off. The energy was going through the buffalo with no expansion and this was a poor bullet choice. A year before that I shot another buffal with a 240grain hornady XTP same fps which dropped the buffalo in it's tracks because the bullet lodged inside the head and thus the energy was spent on the buffalo not the hillside. A 357 magnum can kill an elk but it's certainly not a good choice. I killed an elk with a 243 rifle which has much more power than a 357 magnum but nobody would recomend it for elk. Just don't rush the shot, get it in under 50 yards and make sure you put it through the vitals such as the lungs, heart, head not anywhere else. I don't know what to tell you about a hard cast bullet since it's not a good choice in small calibers and big animals. You need expansion but you also need penetration. I like XTP's but you have to choose what you believe in and know how the bullet works.
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Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
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02/13/2013 5:21 AM
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Zebadi'ah
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I guess I was late to the party and didn't need to waste my breath writing all that info. Congratulations! I couldn't find the photo but good job anyway. Great accomplishment!
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Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
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02/13/2013 5:41 AM
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Howdy and Welcome Aboard Z! Ya, there are several debated topics you just brought up that have been debated extensively here on he forum. Just to name a few: Cast vs. Jacketed-and the sub group there of- Expansion vs. penetration. Ethical requirements-multiple stated above including- 243 and harvesting elk. (Yes that has been discussed here...) and What can ethically harvest appropriate game vs min requirements. Matching game with the appropriately constructed bullets. Shot placement. In this case, the young man did a fine job. He and his father did their home work and knew the limits of the equipment as well as their own. The Buffalo Bore 180 grain cast load in this pistol shoots right at 1,800 fps and so this particular load in this pistol more than satisfies the Kentucky requirements of a minimum 550 ft/lbs at 100 yards I have to say Bravo Zulu to them IMHO Duane
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Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
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02/13/2013 11:48 AM
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I'm assuming a mature cow elk in KEntucky might be smaller than in Montana. Several years ago I chose to shoot a buffalo with a 44 mag 240grain Speer FMJ hotloaded and the results were bad! I head shot it at 35 yards and the first shot went through the skull and into the hillside just flenched like a bee sting and didn't hit the ground, 2nd shot missed the 1st hole by a couple inches through the skull into the hillside with the same reaction the 3rd shot was a little lower and further forward all within few inches of each other. This buffalo still standing decided enough was enough and left the area and about 3 hours later I found the buffalo still alive but bleeding out. It took another shot to finish it off. The energy was going through the buffalo with no expansion and this was a poor bullet choice. A year before that I shot another buffal with a 240grain hornady XTP same fps which dropped the buffalo in it's tracks because the bullet lodged inside the head and thus the energy was spent on the buffalo not the hillside. A 357 magnum can kill an elk but it's certainly not a good choice. I killed an elk with a 243 rifle which has much more power than a 357 magnum but nobody would recomend it for elk. Just don't rush the shot, get it in under 50 yards and make sure you put it through the vitals such as the lungs, heart, head not anywhere else. I don't know what to tell you about a hard cast bullet since it's not a good choice in small calibers and big animals. You need expansion but you also need penetration. I like XTP's but you have to choose what you believe in and know how the bullet works. Energy nor bullet choice was the problem with the 3 head shots that failed to put the animal down. The bullets missed the brain, simple as that. This is the very reason that head shot are not recomended
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Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
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02/13/2013 12:33 PM
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Aaron Proffitt
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I'm assuming a mature cow elk in KEntucky might be smaller than in Montana. Several years ago I chose to shoot a buffalo with a 44 mag 240grain Speer FMJ hotloaded and the results were bad! I head shot it at 35 yards and the first shot went through the skull and into the hillside just flenched like a bee sting and didn't hit the ground, 2nd shot missed the 1st hole by a couple inches through the skull into the hillside with the same reaction the 3rd shot was a little lower and further forward all within few inches of each other. This buffalo still standing decided enough was enough and left the area and about 3 hours later I found the buffalo still alive but bleeding out. It took another shot to finish it off. The energy was going through the buffalo with no expansion and this was a poor bullet choice. A year before that I shot another buffal with a 240grain hornady XTP same fps which dropped the buffalo in it's tracks because the bullet lodged inside the head and thus the energy was spent on the buffalo not the hillside. A 357 magnum can kill an elk but it's certainly not a good choice. I killed an elk with a 243 rifle which has much more power than a 357 magnum but nobody would recomend it for elk. Just don't rush the shot, get it in under 50 yards and make sure you put it through the vitals such as the lungs, heart, head not anywhere else. I don't know what to tell you about a hard cast bullet since it's not a good choice in small calibers and big animals. You need expansion but you also need penetration. I like XTP's but you have to choose what you believe in and know how the bullet works. Energy nor bullet choice was the problem with the 3 head shots that failed to put the animal down. The bullets missed the brain, simple as that. This is the very reason that head shot are not recomended "I have head shot Mule Deer with my 4 5/8 44mag at over 70 yards. It's all about knowing what your max accurate shooting distance is in a hunting situation and don't shoot over that. I have also killed Buffalo with that same pistol. On the other end of the spectrum I have also head shot dear at 165 yards with my 8 3/8." Apparently 'Z' likes those head shots . He has six posts and at least two mention shooting for the head . Just saying... trying with all my might to just let this go.
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Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
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02/13/2013 2:05 PM
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I have not been able to find the picures, would someone please post a link
Thanks
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Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
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02/13/2013 2:11 PM
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Zebadi'ah
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I do like the head shot. The reason for the Buffalo was the ranch I hunted on only allowed that shot on Buffalo which if you wanted to hunt on his place again which I did you had no choice. I would of much rather preferred the lungs but this was not my chosing. On deer either you miss them or you drop them in the tracks. I'm no t here to tell others different. I'm also not saying cast is not as good as jacketed or vise versa. Know your bullet and what it's capable of. I've been involved in hunting since I could walk. Killed lots of deer, elk, antelope, buffalo and other to know for me what works what doesn't and expereienced the good, bad and ugly of hunting with pistol, rifle and bow. I'm in my late 40's and I don't have an ego about hunting or firearms and believe you should share your expereinces to help others which is how I like to learn as well.
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Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
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02/13/2013 3:58 PM
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Aaron Proffitt
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So you advise taking headshots AND you can consistently shoot 'minute of brain' out to 160 something yards .
Seems legit...
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Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
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For the record, I'm not a big fan of headshots. Maybe I'm just not good enough -- LOL! I will take a headshot if it presents itself and I think I can make it, but usually I won't.
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Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
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On deer either you miss them or you drop them in the tracks. This statement alone has me pondering your actual experience as a hunter, let alone a handgun hunter. There is a lot of area around the brain to hit but will not kill a deer. I've done it.....once. Followed a blood trail for over two miles in the snow and never did recover the deer. I will never do it again.
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Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
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02/13/2013 6:15 PM
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This one has several epiphanies wrapped in a conundrum spiraling down towards infinity…
TCScout, I apologize for the blemish on your son’s accomplishment. With my oldest just getting old enough to go out, I cherish the time with him. We need more parents like you that are willing to take the time to share what we love so much with our children.
Duane
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb Benjamin Franklin
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Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
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Aaron Proffitt
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I agree. I'm proud of his accomplishment and rite of passage. Well done , young man.
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Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
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Thanks to you all for the kind words. I just reposted a photograph under "Kentucky Elk (repost)" on the bragging board.
I had removed it a few weeks ago when I reacted to someone on here busting my chops in a manner that I thought was rude and called my character into question.
That said, I have realized that his behavior is far more the exception than it is the rule here. So I should'nt let that incident bother me as much as it did and steal my joy and keep me from participating here.
There are a great bunch of folks on this forum.
I hope you all enjoy the picture a quintillionth as much as I enjoyed being there when my boy dropped the hammer.
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Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
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02/14/2013 3:33 PM
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Congrats to you and your son!! That's definately a PROUD POPPA moment.
It's not the gun, but the man behind it.
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Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
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02/18/2013 2:40 PM
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in the TC the speed will be like shooting the .357 Max,I wouldn't hesitate to use it-john
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Re: Cow elk with a .357 magnum
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02/18/2013 2:53 PM
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TCTex.
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Exactly!
My 15.75in Max gets 2000fps with a 180gr.
TCScout was getting 1800fps with his 10in Mag. That is very respectful.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb Benjamin Franklin
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