And yet someone else that is happy with Taurus. This is like a seesaw. Four hours ago I was sworn off of them and now I am thinking that for the price it might be the way to go. Either a 5" or 2.5" 454 is what I am looking for. Thank you all for the responses. Maybe others will come forward with their experiences? I appreciate everyone's input, positive or negative. I value it all. Thanks everyone.