I should mention that the Nosler 185gr anywhere from 1100 to 1500fps will kill deer jsut fine. In the super brass 10.8grs Blue Dot with the 185 is super accuarate and death to deer.

185gr .451 vs 210gr .41

"A quiet hit in the right place is better than a loud miss in the wrong place followed by 10 more shots on the run"

I was a handgun hunter, when handgun wasn't cool.....