James I picked up one like Michaelnell and after sighting the reddot I got groups like that at 25 yds,my first handloads,240 xtp 20.5 gr of #9 went an inch and three eights at 50 yrds,Im trying some different primers to close it up more,Ive only got one pound of H110 so until I find somemore Im hoarding it.I can take photos with my cell phone but havent figured out how to download them.