As LABRAT mentioned the .480 I too have heard its call. I will say one thing about the gun. It is super accurate. I shot a one handed group at about 23 yards ( we had a fire going so we had to scoot down hill) that was about 1.5". Then set a 12ga hull up and one handed it at 25 yards. The gun was just that easy to shoot good. One big surprise was the 360gr oregon trail bullet in ruger level .45 Colt loads. From my 4 5/8" gun they clocked 1248fps and if I remember right 1367fps from Matt's 7 1/2" hunter. Both of these out penetrated the .480 and .475. The permanent channel was even a bit larger. Herein is the point where we need input on kills. I will take this into consideration on the questionnaire. reflex264