Understood bscott 😜 Moral of my original statement was that Doc is the original "bullet tester" and has no monetary reason for giving his opinion, unlike some of the sh*t you'll see or read. He only bases his opinion on using bullets on game animals and definitely not from shooting phone books 😂😂😂 or paper 😉. His opinions today are what they were last year and any time before. If it honestly worked then, it'll work now, and it always will....basically, the worst test media is dense paper....test on game animals yourself.... and send Doc a PM. He will steer you in the right direction