Thanks for the welcome TCman. My second big bore was a T/C frame w/Bulberry Barrel in 44mag. I know I'm oppinionated Gary I do try to keep it in check. I've used the 260 Nosler PGH once in a 454 Raging Bull & witnessed it several times in it's owners hands. He swears by that load & it got me my second largest deer ever. I've used & seen another friend use the 270 Gold Dot many times. It's his only load. In short it works every time. It's those JHP's I care very little for on deer size critters. The only other game I've shot w/my cast bullets are hogs (hawgs?) & javelina. I agree w/you Gary. My standard deer load in my Mod 83 454 is a 260 JSP. I wanted to go bigger but it worked so well I never changed it. Change is bad! But, I feel the 454 & now the 460/500mags really are diferent animals from the 44 in some ways.