thanks for all the input. never said she was going to use it, just wanted to know if anybody else has used the 223 to tkae deer sized game with the 223. probably going to invest in a larger caliber with a break for her.she really enjoys handguns more then rifes. she doesnt even like the recoil of the 243 out of a youth rifle.i do have a 30-30 barrel i could have ported and see how that works out.