flinching
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10/17/2009 1:45 PM
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went to the target range yesterdayand after several rounds from my larger revolver i started to get a bad case of flinching.I am wondering how to deal with this problem.
so far I am thinking lots of practice dry fire and when i do go to the range limit my shots th only a few per session. I am also thinking several trips to the range per week.
Will this plan work? anyone have any better ideas?
Genesis chapter 1 verse 26
When shooting a single shot their are no warning shots.
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Re: flinching
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10/17/2009 3:34 PM
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Are you flinching from pain or from the noise?
If it's the noise of the gun you have to mentaly overcome the flinch. Start with double hearing protection, foam ear plugs and a good set of ear muffs. Then have someone else load the gun randomly with cartridges so you can't tell when a loaded round will be under the hammer. Then consentrate on the sights and target and slowly pull the trigger. Keep you mind on the sights and try not to flinch just like the gun is not loaded. Hopeful in time you can work thru the flinch.
If it's from the gun recoiling and hurting you hand then you need to change the grips, the style of gun (ie, bisly grip instead of hog leg) or reduce the load, wear shooting gloves so you can handle the recoil without pain. You might also need to change the hold on the gun for more control. Then practice and consentrate on the sights.
Lots of heavy rounds in one range sesion can be counter productive as the body wears down. More range sessions and few rounds per session might help. Quality practice over quanity. I remeber reading that Elmer Kieth didn't shoot a large amount of heavy rounds a year.
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Re: flinching
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10/17/2009 4:07 PM
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I would say mostly from noise i think the problem is 90% in my head.
Genesis chapter 1 verse 26
When shooting a single shot their are no warning shots.
Keith
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10/17/2009 6:12 PM
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Another thing that helped my younger brother get use to his Redhawk in 44 was to aim the gun down range in a safe direction and close your eyes and slowly squeeze off a few rounds. Let the mind feel the effect of recoil and sound without the visual effect of recoil and muzzle blast.
His comment was "that's not as bad as it looks"
It helped him quite a bit.
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Re: flinching
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10/18/2009 4:07 AM
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Snap caps!!! And do them daily. You are training muscles to perform a job!!!!!!!
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb Benjamin Franklin
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Re: flinching
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10/18/2009 5:04 AM
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Do ya have a rimfire handgun? I like to practice with rimfire varieties of my centerfires. Breeds familiarity and costs less, once you've covered the cost of the gun which doesn't take long. Any trigger time will help, whether it goes bang or not.
Lasers are great training tools, either grips or rail mounted. Keep that dot from moving off target throughout the trigger squeeze. You can even use a boresighter like the LazerLyte. It's not so much about sight alignment as it is about trigger control.
Rod, too.
Short cuts often lead to long recoveries.
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10/18/2009 4:20 PM
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Good advice above. It is mind over matter. We all have a few cowardly brain cells that tell us to close our eyes & jerk. Fewer rounds & concentrate on the sight picture. Feeling it go with just the right sight picture is what you are looking for. Learn to receive satisfaction from a few good ones rather than a bunch of empty brass. A good trigger is also important to me.
Good Luck.
It's more important where you hit 'em, than what you hit 'em with.
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10/18/2009 6:01 PM
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Excellent advice and I would add skipping a couple of chambers when you load the gun. You won't know whether it's going to go bang or not.
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Re: flinching
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10/18/2009 10:11 PM
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All the mentioned advice is great. There's a little trick I always do when firing. It helps me and I give the same advice to many others and it seems to work. It's a simple little process of repeating in your mind "good trigger squeeze, good trigger squeeze, good trigg...BANG!". Keep saying this mentally while squeezing the trigger and it'll suprise you when it goes off, which is what you want.
It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but only 3 for proper trigger squeeze.
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Re: flinching
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10/19/2009 2:29 PM
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I kind of have a question about flinching. I was trying to site in my new 454 Raging Bull and I need to konw if I can shoot it from a sandbag or something soft like that to sight it in. I too was having the same problem with flinching. The first 5 rounds were in 1.5-2" groups and then they started to go all over. Please help
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10/19/2009 2:29 PM
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I kind of have a question about flinching. I was trying to site in my new 454 Raging Bull and I need to konw if I can shoot it from a sandbag or something soft like that to sight it in. I too was having the same problem with flinching. The first 5 rounds were in 1.5-2" groups and then they started to go all over. Please help
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10/19/2009 3:04 PM
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Nothing wrong with using sandbags. Also important -- at least initially -- to limit the amount of rounds you are shooting. I'm talking about the heavy recoilers. They take more concentration to shoot well and produce fatigue.
Good advise offered above.
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10/19/2009 9:27 PM
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When I shoot off sandbags I rest my forearms on sand bags about halfway. I then hold the grip the same as if I was free standing, unsupported. Then rest the barrel just in front of the frame very lightly on a sandbag. Just enough pressure to steady the sights. Let the gun recoil like you were freestanding. I have found this to keep point of impact close to if not the same from the bench and freestanding.
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Re: flinching
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10/20/2009 12:01 AM
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Tigger, maybe you could help with this small issue im having? I recently purchased a 454 RB and took it to the gun range this past weekend and had some issues with it. I put about 15 rds of Hornady 300gr JHP through it and then it stopped cycling the cylinder in SA and DA both. Has anyone had this same experience?
So, I get home today and start to monkey with the gun and it is working fine. Did the metal expand causing the cylinder to lock? IDK. Seems to be logical explanation. Called Taurus and they have never herd of this. Checked the gun mechanically and it seems fine. Maybe it just needs the tool marks and such smoothed out.
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Re: flinching
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10/20/2009 12:53 AM
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PrairieDog1, Replied to your PM
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10/20/2009 1:35 AM
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I rest my forearms on sand bags about halfway. I then hold the grip the same as if I was free standing, unsupported. Then rest the barrel just in front of the frame very lightly on a sandbag. Just enough pressure to steady the sights. Let the gun recoil like you were freestanding. Couldn't have said it better.
Rod, too.
Short cuts often lead to long recoveries.
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Re: flinching
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10/20/2009 11:30 PM
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thank you for all the suggestions. I have alot of work to do. I went to the range today with my single six loaded only four chambers,wow i did not think i was that bad but when the hammer fell on the empty chambers the sights were all over. I will continue to practice I hope to work through this problem over the next several months.I also think this will be a problem i will need to be mindfull of for the rest of my life.
Genesis chapter 1 verse 26
When shooting a single shot their are no warning shots.
Keith
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Re: flinching
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10/21/2009 12:19 AM
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Just a quick note. It's best to put an empty 22 in the chambers you don't want to go bang. The fireing pin can get peened over from hitting the edge of the cylinder in time.
Most centerfire revolvers are OK to dryfire.
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Re: flinching
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11/01/2009 3:53 AM
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plugs and muffs are good ideas.If you handload some lighter loads may help,or try some .45 colt loads.They are pleasent to shoot in the raging bull.A glove on the shooting hand is a good idea too.The 454 seems to want to tear the web out of my shooting hand so a glove is necessary for me with this cal. I have other large bore pistols 12 in. 45-70 358jdj 308 .45 colts that dont bother me like the .454 does.as for shooting off sand bags or rolled up towels cover them with a piece of soft leather, as the cylinder gap blast will wreck them in a hurry.
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