Thanks guys. Ya that's right Vance, you got a tag for big brownies. I shot my first Griz last year. A small interior toklat with a real pretty hide, my first bear, shot him with a rifle. I should be getting the rug back this month. Here's a pic of that guy. If I get a blackie with my wheelgun it will be two firsts for me. First blackie and first handgun kill, with the exception of ptarmigan with a 22.