by the way, Whitworth I'm not trying to hammer on you I just don't see it working that way. If it was Jack that told you that I don't know what his line of thinking is but unless I saw it on slow motion video I wouldn't believe it. If it was Jack I know he's an excellent smith and from what I've heard a really nice guy but like I said I just don't see it.

I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them. John Wayne-The Shootist