This has been an entertaining read. Still, you won't talk me into shooting naked boolits and I won't convince those who do to do otherwise. One thing that just plain pisses me off though are those who would look down upon me merely because I won't use their boolit. I've butchered enough critters to know that my choices work, and my choice is jacketed PERIOD. If I feel the need for less expansion I will use the XTP MAG rather than the XTP. As said, I would rather be shot with a hard cast than an XTP any day.