The candidates & THE issue

I hate politics but just for fun I just went to the "official" websites for our Republican and Democratic presidential candidates. I found it interesting that John McCain's website has a tab for issues and in it you can find an entire page on his stances on various apspects of 2nd Amendment rights. On Barack Obama's website he also has a tab for issues but when you go into it there are like 20+ categories but NOTHING about 2nd Amendment issues. Hmmmm. I may not be undecided anymore.

Sorry if I make anyone upset for posting this in the hunting forum, it's just the first place I come to here and I found this interesting.

Score Guy, The other day on the Outdoor Channel, Larry Weishun
interviewed McCain who said he was more of a fisherman then a hunter but that he would do everything possible to insure our 2nd Amendment rights.

Obama voted four times in Illinois to allow criminal charges against a homeowner who used a firearm in defense of themselves, their family or home. Obama might say that he supports the 2nd Amendment, but his record shows where he really stands.

I have my opinions on what we should do with the likes of osama but I don't want the secret service getting their victoria secret panties in a wad.

X2 Rod! As you can tell by the anti-libby stuff I send you.LOL

yes sir, you know I don't know why they don't call liberals by their true name, communist, because that is all they are. You know 50yrs ago we prosecuted people for anti american communist ideas, I think we should again but this time with a long drop and a short piece of rope and I think it should be public. I think if they would do the same to gangbangers, murderers, rapist and child molesters this would be a better country but then the democrats wouldn't have anyone left to vote for them.

Wapiti, I trust that you are at leat in part jesting. The kangaroo courts held by the tailgunner Joe in the '50s were a disgrace, no better than Obamas' ilk's view of how things should be. And punishments as you describe put us perillously close to the type of fundamentalist Islamic 'justice' that we all abhore.

I am no fan of the liberal agenda, but let's not throw the baby out with the bath water in our pursuit to return our country to the right path.....

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Policies are important and a persons stand on certain issues should be known. However most candidates stance on issues changes more than their underwear. They are usually adjustably to meet the situation or audience they have at hand.

Safe shooting
Doug

You can tell alot about a mans hand shake and when I met sen. McCain his grip was firm, stout, and strong just like a true leaders should be. I'd hate to see what that sally obama's shake is like . He probably does'nt want to offend anyone so he shakes like a woman. No offence women!!!!!

Lars

Many women today have a very firm handshake and I've met more men with jellyfish handshakes than I have women...

You know your right.

Lars

So I take it no-ones surprised at my observations about the websites? I'd just like someone to offer an explanation. I find it difficult to understand how a candidate would completely ignore this issue. How can I possibly consider to give my vote to him if he won't show me how he feels about an issue so important to me? :>) (That's a rhetorical question.)

There isn't enough rope to get rid of them all.
After spending 17 years as LEO, I'm all for hanging. One appeal with in one year of the trial, then it's off to a public hanging.
The libbies shouldn't be hung they should be staked to a tree so they can talk to their spotted owls. They have the same mentality, in fact the owls might be smarter,they keep quiet and out of sight.

I was only partly jesting, as a cold war veteran I have no tolerance for communist views which is where the liberals have gone, you are right the courts in the 50's went overboard and in America you have the right to freedom of expression but then again that is the arguement the aclu uses to defend flag burners and illegal immigrants flying the mexican flag over the American. As far as public hangings for those criminals listed I'm dead serious and I'd be the first to apply for the job as hangman.

As an outsider I'm not going to tell you who to vote for. What I will say is that if you don't look after your specific rights, then you won't have them anymore. I am always perturbed in my country when firearm owners complain about gun laws, when you ask them if they voted for a pro-gun candidate you get a sheepish reply about how they've always voted for so & so party rather than particular issues.

And then wonder why the government they voted for took away their guns and treated them like criminals.

If you want to keep your rights, find out which candidate will support them, vote for them and let them know why you voted that way.

It comes down to one simple thing for me - if a candidate feels that the 2nd Amendment doesn't mean anything then he/she would certainly not have any problem letting our other rights go right out the window too.

I appreciate your input 475 and you are right, but I'll take it a step farther and say that Obama would nominate Supreme Court judges with no integrity that would be willing to overturn our recent victory and at least 80% of his fellow democratic politicians would follow suit. I have no problem with debates on the way to fix economic or social issues but the problem is the democratic party has become fixated on socialism and total control of the population which the only way they can safely achieve that goal is to undo the 2nd amendment. Our forefathers knew this and that is why the right to bear arms is second on the list, it is there to stop exactly what is starting to happen, the take over of a population by it's elitist government that feels it's citizens are not capable of thinking for themselves and unfortunately many people today try to equate the democratic party with what it was 30 or 40 years ago and the problem with that is has evolved into something much worst that Karl Marx or Joseph Stalin would feel right at home with.

Rod, that's what I keep telling folks around here. So many still vote the Dem's 'cause their parents, and their parent's parents did when the Dem's were for the farmer and working man. It is so not the case anymore but you can't drill that into their stupborn skulls. They are so naieve about the gun issue, thinking they would never come for their hunting rifle. Doh.....!

Wapitirod and S4s4u nailed it! Folks don't realize their hunting rifle is just farther down on the list. There are still many people in this country who don't know that LEOs went door to door confiscating law abiding citizens guns during Hurricane Katrina. I can't think of a time in recent history when people needed their guns more.

AND the judges and other legal officials put in power that affect laws for years after the Pres has been out of office.

Let me see if I can't rectify some of that.
Katrina Aftermath

I've heard a lot about the story but never saw the movie clip about the old lady being abused in her own kitchen before. Just appalling.

I just can't believe that when you need your gun the most, the local govt would come and take them away like that. That is sad... soooooo sad!

All you have to do is look and see what happened to Australia. They took everyones away and the only way you can have one now is to do all kinds of paperwork and then you can only shoot at a range even the ranchers in the outback can not have one to protect thier animals. The crime rate went up 500% with in the first year that gun were out lawed. It was because they voted for someone that was against guns but didn't know it untilit was to late.
That can happen here, they must never beable to change the original Amendments. If they get the second they will start on another one, then another etc etc. Obama is all for changing our Constitution, why anyone would vote for someone that wants to change it has got a problem being an American. My gosh look how many people have died protection our rights! And then this guys wants to change them? No way! The Demo's want what they want not what is good for our country. Our country is always in worse shape after a Demo has been president then ofter a Rep. We are at war right now, that is one of the reason our country is in bad shape, but the biggest is the Demo's in Congress, they want to keep the libbies happy so what happens? No drilling for our oil in our country. Look at the map of Alaska and see where it is they want to drill. It's only a tiny tiny bit of the Arctic made up of nothing but mud in the summer and ice in the winter. Sorry getting carried away again.

thats ok rupe, if the dumb*** wins we can start our own country

Thanks for posting the video Gary! Everyone needs to know how quickly our rights can be stripped away. This same type of situation could easily happen again.

That sounds good to me Rod. If you put Rupe and Rod to gether you get "Rude" what a name for a country.

That'll work, we can start it at the west boundary to crater lake east to silver lake, south to ca, and north to Lapine, we'll have all the hunting we can stand.

Just he the thought of someone voting for Hussein Obama tells you alot about thier (lack of) character.

You ever notice that the ones that won't fight for their (and ours) freedom are the ones trying to take it away?!

Oops, keyboard got away from me, suppose to read "Just the thought". I don't know who "he" is... :-)

Damn libbers get me frustrated!!

your right on the money 308 and what is really scary is the games that Putin is starting to play over in Georgia, old Hussein would be a big enough screw up dealing with a bunch of terrorist but he'll really be in over his head if the cold war keeps heating back up. The commies will back him into a corner so fast all you'll see is a bright yellow stripe down his back.

I agree Rod, Rupe and 308!! So we are going to start our on country. LOL (I have to make sure people know I am just joking on this one!) Can I still use Rupe as bear bait. I only ask because of the bear questions we have been having! What is really funny is the four of us have been in the military or law enforcement.

x10 on that Rod

I have to correct a few things on the Australian experience.

Firstly, the crime rate didn't go up 500%. In fact major violent crime did reduce slightly after the 1997 confiscations, however the reduction was extactly the same trend line as prior to the confiscation ie Banning semi-auto rifle, pump-action shotguns etc had no effect on violent crime. Reinforces that guns owned by law abiding citizens do not lead to crime.

Secondly, (and critically ). While the longarm confiscations of 1997 came as a surprise, the handgun confiscations of 2003 only occurred because shooters ignored the earlier confiscations and re-elected the bastard. Had the millions of voting age firearm owners voted him out it the 2003 bans would never have happened and no other politician would have tried it for at least a decade.

We shooters are our own worst enemy in that we don't use our vote to punish anti-gun politicians. Don't let it happen to you.

Well put and... VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Been in the Marine Corps and Law Enforcement. I've seen what happens when you have a spinelss leader and that's exactly what Hussein Obama is!

By the way, Obama Rama IS a Marxist.

exactly right SS308, Obama would be more likely to use our military against us than to defend this country from real threats.

According to a friend of mine in Australia, Crime went up 500%, Was refering to all crime. Because of lack of guns, bad guys didn't have to use violence to rob, because the chances of the good guy having a gun was slim. Burglary and property crimes went way up as did stongarming according to my buddy. Yes they elected the same guy because he gave them the idea he wasn't going to do anything more but once he got reelected he slammed them and took away thier guns. He said they really believed that it was not going to happen. So much for trusting a politician. They did screw themselves by not seeing the writing on the wall. The other choice they had to vote for would have made it worse in more then just firearms I guess. Like I said they are allowed to own a rifle if you want to go threw all the paperwork and fee's. I also understand there is alot of gun placed in large pvc pipes capped at both ends and buried on that back 40.

If we let them mess with our 2nd Amendment we are heading for the samething. None of the Constitution should be messed with. Our founding fathers put alot of thought into writing them and they have worked pretty darn good for over 200 years. Like they say, "Don't mess with it if it isn't broken". Obama will let it happen, he has already shown that he isn't much of a Patriot. He doesn't care if we win the war. He doesn't have a clue about how to run the military. He doesn't seem to care about our troops or what our country is going to look like if we just pull out. As it is Bush is letting politician tell him how to run it. Let the Generals run it, that is what they are paid to do. This is getting way off topic, sorry.
Back on topic, Democrates/Obama is not the man we want running this country. It shows that all he wants is to be the first non white to be elected president. My self I would like to see Condalezza Rice, (Sorry about the spelling of the name) she is one smart woman and doesn't let anyone push her around and knows how to handle the press as well as not letting others put words in her mouth nor does she let others intimidate her. She would make a much better president then Obama and maybe better then McCain. I don't know.

Somehow I got on the democrats call list. Every time they call I ask them why they support a socialist candidate. That usually puts an end to the call.

I wish we had a little smile icon that is clapping for you Pab1. That is good!

I am a red blooded AMERICAN,and as some of you I fought for this country as did many in my family before me.My simple opinion is if you don't like our country and feel you need to change it GO BACK TO YOURS!Usually there will be things that disturb me about both candidates,and I usually try to vote for the lesser of the two evils,and it is pretty obvious this time.

I do feel a need to change this country. Change is good if for the better. I am a red blooded American too. When I was a young man right out of high school I signed up for the Marines, Hoorah baby! But 3 days before my departure I was a passenger in a car accident (going very fast) and smashed the right side of my head on the roof support (between the front and back passenger windows) and was knocked out for an hour and a half (first and only time I have been unconsious in my life, not counting drunken state). I received 15 stitches on the right side of my head. When I went to Fort Hamilton the morning I was scheduled to leave for bootcamp, I was rejected due to the accident and they said "I could have a relapse from the concussion and the military would not be responsible". They said I would have to wait a year before I could re-enlist. Found a job and a new girl and that was the end of that. Love my country. Would I change it... Hell Yeah, for the better!!

There is no doubt that there are changes that need to be made but can we live with the change Obamma wants? No! I for one would like to see everyone stop using the slogan "campaign rhetoric" call it like it is, campaign lies. Obamma says he supports gun ownership but his record doesn't uphold his campaign lie. They like to dance around a commitment with the caveat of "reasonable restrictions" on guns, like Chicago and D.C. A total ban is the only thing that's reasonable to them.

yep and if you notice he keeps talking about change but I have yet to hear any viable or specific ideas on how he's going to change anything. I have noticed on things like energy and this mess with Russia he has waited to see what McCain has had to say and then Obama has repeated it in his own vague way. The guy doesn't have an original idea in his head, he is a puppet for the far left and takes his lead from them. I don't agree with McCain on quite a few things but at least he's an independent thinker with a functioning brain. I don't know if you saw the add that Paris Hilton made as a comeback to McCains add but the sad thing is I'd vote for her before I would Obama, at least she's just a dingy blonde and would have an excuse for screwing up the country.

I agree there need to be some changes.But I have a problem when folks from other countries come here,get a visa,work and brag about how great the country they originate from is,and how bad America is......if that is the case I think they should leave.I agree with previous talk of public hangings,sure would make people think before they acted.I think the cowboy law should be prevailent in every state,let the right to carry be a personal choice available to everyone.I would love to see our goverment return to "for the people,by the people" again these are JMHO

Thats the same thing "Herman Munster" was doing four years ago. He kept saying he had a plan, when asked what his plan was, he'd say "elect me and you'll see". It didn't work then, lets hope it doesn't work now.

Looks like I agree with the last six posts. Obama is nothing but a creation that Hollywood and the media has build up into people thinking he is some kind of a super star and he's not. He is nothing has no real expereance at anything that concerns life and death or right and wrong or what the Constitution says. His idea of change? No one know, just like Rod said, he hints about change but he never says what it is. But I know he is againest our 2nd amendment so he needs to be kept out of the White House.

When I said that "I do feel a need to change this country", I did not mean changing by electing Obama. I think he is a fool and has no idea what he is getting himself into. It'd be a real shame for him to take office and really screw this country up!

V-O-T-E!!!!!!!