Posted By: FAH
Dual Cylinders - 09/08/2013 9:28 PM
Please help me understand the need for a second cylinder.
I have two FA 83's a .454 and a .475 now I know I can shoot .45 Colt through the .454 and .480 through the .475.
That being so why would I need or want a caliber specific cylinder to shoot .45 Colt in my .454 or a .480 cylinder for my .475?
Posted By: 98Redline
Re: Dual Cylinders - 09/08/2013 10:09 PM
I am pretty sure that FA recommends this due to erosion of the chambers due to the shorter rounds resulting in a significant increase in the force required to eject full length 454 rounds after shooting 45 colts.
The issue as far as I remember was not due to the crud ring per se, in that even after the crud ring was scrubbed out, fired 454 rounds were still very difficult to eject. I believe that most of the issue is related to the very tight chambers that FA revolvers exhibit.
Posted By: 240
Re: Dual Cylinders - 09/09/2013 3:18 AM
I don't think you NEED a second cylinder to fire the 45 lc or 480 ruger from your guns. I shoot mostly 45 LC from my Model 83 454 and sometimes factory 480 Ruger ammo threw my 475 Linebaugh. I could see where you could have cases stick or worst, pressure spikes when shooting Casulls threw a crudy chamber. But shouldn't be a problem if you clean your cylinder between cartridges. Im guessing Freedom arms is just being precautious because the 454 Casull's high operating pressures and not wanting customers complaining about stuck cases.
Plus they want to sell you an extra cylinder for $400. If they didn't they would offer the 83 in 45 LC & 45 ACP since they all ready are set-up to chamber these rounds in the 83. Yep, there in buisness to make money. Just like the way sell you a $2500 gun then charge you an EXTRA $100 to reduce the trigger to 3 lbs from 4.5lbs, or MORE cash for action tune, ... wouldn't you think these would be "standard features" on a gun that leaves the factory as a "Premier Grade"?
I love my Freedom Arms, but they sure make you pay to play.
Posted By: mike.44
Re: Dual Cylinders - 09/09/2013 5:57 AM
Usually a second cylinder is needed for a non-rimmed cartridge that headspaces off the mouth of the case.....ie .45acp along with a 45 colt cylinder. Also, as mentioned above.
Posted By: 98Redline
Re: Dual Cylinders - 09/09/2013 12:14 PM
Here it is directly from the horse's mouth:
Posted by Bob Baker (owner of Freedom Arms)
The 45 Colt is .100 shorter than the 454 Casull. When shooting the 45C in 454 chambers, lead and powder residue is left in the chamber just ahead of the case. This build up of residue can restrict chambering the longer 454 cartridge and can cause excess pressure by not allowing the crimp of the 454 to easily open up to allow the bullet to exit the case.
Another potential problem is when the revolver is cooling down after firing it collects moisture. This moisture mixed with the lead and powder residue creates an acid which can etch the chamber underneath the lead and powder residue. With this condition, even if the residue is cleaned out of the chamber, the longer 454 case will now stick in the etched area of the chamber when fired and can be difficult to remove depending on the amount of etching. Over the years we have seen this problem more from guns in high humidity areas than from low humidity areas but it still occurs in the low humidity areas.
For some folks this seems to be an emotional issue and some folks even claim that all we are trying to do make extra money on extra cylinders. What we are actually trying to do is help our customers get the most trouble free life from their FA revolver as possible. I know of some customers that have shot thousands of 45C rounds in their 454 chambers with no problems but they thoroughly clean the gun when finished shooting. Other customers have ended up with one of the above problems fairly quick also. All we can do is put out the information, it is up to the individual what they do with the information.
Posted By: bluecow
Re: Dual Cylinders - 09/10/2013 11:31 AM
ive been a gun crank as long as i can remember. every ten years or so this cones up with the 38/357 or 44spl/44mag. maybe tighter chambers / high pressure ect. has some effect i dont know. i do know that i shoot 38 in my 357, 44 spl in my 44 mag. and would do the same if i had a 454.
98, Thanks for your post. It say`s it all.....
Posted By: johnwilliams
Re: Dual Cylinders - 09/14/2013 5:50 PM
I think the problem lies with not cleaning the gun immediately after shooting and I could see what Bob Bakers saying that this would become an issue,I've shot .38's in the .357 ,..22shorts in my .22 match barrel contender for many years with no problems with tightness ect., but I clean my guns really good after shooting so this has never been an issue with me and my guns are contenders,rugers so I wonder if the tighter tolerence's on the freedom arms guns makes this issue more of a problem-john
Posted By: FAH
Re: Dual Cylinders - 09/27/2013 9:15 PM
Wow Guy's, thank you for your replies ,really helpful.