Centerfire solids

Because of the recent bullet thread in the hunting forum, I got to thinking about solids in centerfire cartridges. Are they made for the "smaller" calibers, or are they only made for the African dangerous game calibers? I've never seen a solid for a .270 wsm, or a .308, or anything of that size. Wouldn't they be superior long range bullets in the smaller calibers?

Just curious is all. Perhaps this belongs in the "off topic" forum?

I havent seen them. I would be interested to know though.

You mean FMJ bullets? There are plenty for .308, but they're usually 147ish grains. 6.5 Grendel rounds are being sold by Wolf with 100 grain steel jacketed slugs (steel cased as well). Some of the old ivory hunters used 6.5 military rifles with long (really long) heavy for caliber round nose FMJ slugs for elephant due to their great penetration. But, it seems like they're all loaded, or pulled bullets, for military calibers.

No, not fmj bullets. Things like punch bullets.

There isn't much diameter in a 7mm or 30 caliber bullet for much of a meplat, at least and allow them to fly true, and a wide meplat is what makes non expanding bullets effective on game. Small diameter bullets require expansion to get their "meplat" so to speak.

Makes sense. Thanks!

Probably expensive, but are these what you had in mind? I've not used them and so can't comment on how effective they are.

http://www.woodleighbullets.com.au/products/hydrostatically-stabilised
http://www.woodleighbullets.com.au/bullet-lists/hydrostatically-stabilised
You Tube video from about the 4:00 minute mark. (Note could be all sales hype) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN9y6YvTUYk

That's interesting to say the least!

The company that makes brass and copper bullets known as Cutting Edge Bullets, makes a Safari brand 155 solid copper bullet for 6.5mm, but none for the 7mm. I spoke to them and they tooled up to make the 6.5mm solid because a person ordered them in an amount that warranted keeping it catalogued as available. I may order some in 7mm at 165 grain or 170 grain specifications to make the 7mm a catalogued item. Anyone else interested in doing that? The 7mm-08 could be a candidate for using them and be very close to the 175 grain 7mm Mauser that WDM Karamojo Bell used to brain many hundreds of ivory carrying elephants.

Wonder how well they track at long range.

I spoke to Cutting Edge and looked over their offerings. A 6.5 copper Safari solid at 130 grains is basic. They make a 6.5 155 grain but the rifle twist must be 1 in 7 to stabilize it because of its great length. .308 caliber has a 180 copper Safari solid and they make heavier copper Safari solid .366 or 9.3mm and up.
I spoke to a nice person who said the .284 caliber would be 150 grains at the most due to the length of the bullet as a copper solid Safari model. To tool up and compute the CNC machine to make it is $250.00 and a 250 quantity of bullets order must be put in at the same time. At a dollar a bullet that works out to at least $500.00. If I put up the tooling cost myself at $250.00, would anyone using a 7mm want to claim the 250 bullet order requirement? With 250 bullets needing ordered just 10 shooters wishing to have and test 25 bullets at $1.00 each would fund the cataloguing cost for Cutting Edge to make this 150 grain copper 7mm Safari solid a reality.
Call me at 620-238-1378 if you wish to make this happen. A $25.00 minimum buy-in is the base-level interest to warrant a call to purchase 25 150 grain copper Safari solid 7mm .284 bullets from Cutting Edge. I will coordinate everything if interest warrants.

I have a person who texted me for an order of 50 bullets. He is going to test, from Cutting Edge Bullets, the proposed 150 grain copper Safari solid in 7mm. I am also willing to purchase 50 bullets along with the tooling up cost of $250.00 to create it. So we need only 150 more bullets asked for to make me pull the trigger and get this bullet made by Cutting Edge and become a new Cutting Edge catalogue offering for purchase. Text me for your order at 620-238-1378 please.

Do you have a link so we can see these bullets?

Only the website listed as http://www.cuttingedgebullets.com as I am not technologically literate. The 150 grain .284 copper Safari solid for barrel twists of 1 in 9 1/2 or 1 in 10 inch is not listed as it will be custom made and I will pay the $280.00 tool up fee. I just spoke with them and the bullet may be heavier but no lighter. Their guess was a length of a bullet for the rate of bullet twist aforementioned would be a 150 grain .284 copper solid Safari bullet. The length of the straight and parallel sides limit its use to specific twist barrels. A 170 grain .284 copper Safari solid would need a 1 in 7 inch custom barrel twist to stabilize it.

Pretty low BC's from what I see on their website, which I would expect with such a flat nose. How do they fare at long ranges?

The time span to get to making and delivering this custom 7mm copper Safari solid at 150 grains or slightly more, is 10 to 12 weeks. A long wait, but the bullet will be the finest concentricity and quality. Who wants to finish this deal and purchase 150 bullets? Or 6 people purchasing 25 bullets each? Or 3 people purchasing 50 bullets of this make and weight?
Just text me at 620-238-1378 and let me know how many you wish to get? At one dollar apiece the minimum quantity is 25 bullets for 25 dollars. Just text me.

The copper Safari solid is for straightline penetration on heavy, thick-skinned and strongly-boned animals. The 150 grain or slightly heavier solid copper bullet in 7mm is for close-range deep penetration in a straight and unbending line to the vitals and through, if possible. The BC is high on the pointed bullets for long range work.

The flat nose copper Safari solid is for elephant, hippo, Cape buffalo, rhino and the like. None of these are long range targets, so look to the pointed solid models for a high BC.
The goal with this model is straightline penetration to the vitals, using knowledge of the animals anatomy to place the shot.
The 150 grain solid copper Safari model would be nice in a
7mm-08. The structural integrity of solid copper would mitigate the possibility of the bullet being bent or deformed, to deflect it from its intended internal vital organ target.

Most states require a soft nosed or hollow point expanding bullet for hunting do they not? So unless hunting Africa or outside the USA a solid would be illegal for game?

This is a good point. But I believe most states allow hard cast bullets, so I wonder what the deciding factor is.

The bullet is for that African animal type of hunt and for other countries too, but it is not illegal to own such a bullet. It can be used to test depth of comparative straightline penetration. As a blunt face it is not a long range sniper bullet. Still waiting for text orders so this type of 7mm bullet can be designed and fabricated for testing. I need a committment for 150 bullets at one dollar each. 100 bullets are already spoken for. 250 total is the minimun order when I pay for the one time startup of $280.00 for design and tooling up to make.

Hard cast is still lead and at least in MN as long as there is some exposed lead it is good to go.

Hardcast in handguns can be effective as a solid type penetrator as long as velocities do not over power the integrity of the material used to cast it. I still hope and ask for some more owners of 7mm single shot handguns to chime in and pledge to purchase 25, 50 or 100 of these special run of copper solid 150 Safari model Cutting Edge bullets. I have pledged for 50 and another texted me that he wanted 50 bullets. That leaves 150 available openings to purchase this special run of flat tip, running straight, penetrating, copper solid dangerous game capable bullets. I will pay the tool up cost of $280.00. And I am also buying 50 of the bullets at approximately one dollar apiece. Could cost more according to the Cutting Edge Bullet company. But a dollar apiece is what I am asking for with your personal bullet order. Thanks for helping with this idea. I really appreciate it. Text your order for this bullet to me at 620-238-1378. That is my cell phone number. Or give me a call and we can compare notes on this project...

Hard cast meets the legal definition of an expanding bullet as does the Belt Mountain Punch bullet because of the lead core and the pin sized hollow point in the flat point jacket.

I will stop waiting for the committment to purchase 150 more of the copper solid .284 7mm 150 grain Safari flat-point bullets through me on June 1st. I hope a dollar a bullet is not the stopping point issue. 100 bullets are already spoken for. The order must be for no less than 250 of the new design bullets from Cutting Edge Bullets. Text me a PM at 620-238-1378 for your order of 50 or 100 or for 150 bullets to get this order off the theory train and onto the get ur done ship!!!

Woodleigh makes a hydrostatically-stabilized 140 grain solid copper bullet that is appropriate for the 7mm caliber rifle and handguns. They are available in packs of 20. Check them out if you will on the web.
As a result of emailing the Woodleigh Bullet Company I am convinced this 140 grain solid bullet is ideal for penetration and can be driven fast enough in a 7mm-08 and stabilized with a 1 in 9 inch twist barrel to accomplish any task put before it.