In the near future i would like to purchase a single shot handgun for whitetail and chucks, max range i would shoot is 250yd and thats only after a lot of practice until i felt comfortable. I am undecided on what to get i have a Dan Wesson 44mag but i will not scope it and i want to extend my range beyond 75yds. For ease of carrying i really do not want to go more than a 12in barrel, i'm thinking 30-30 to start but not sure. I will be reloading for what ever i end up with. What say you all?

Thanks

Johnny

The 30-30 isn't quite up to that task, IMO. To kill a deer at 250 yards I would lean toward the 308 case family in 260 rem, 7-08, or 308. I shoot a 7-30 Waters, which is a 30-30 necked down and improved and 250 yards is at the most outer limits of its effectiveness. The 12" barrel is also a handicap as you lose a bunch of velocity going from 14-15 inches down to 12".

In a Contender?
Other action?

I was leaning on the Contender but not firm on it, keeping all options open. As far as shooting at 250yds i most likely will have shots much less than that but i want to be able to if the shot presents itself.

imo, the contender is the ideal choice for a deer gun! i would not change from it myself, even though the bolt guns and falling blocks etc are "stronger". the contender package serves me perfectly all around.

250yrds is really stretching the contender though, and most people actually...lol. it can defiately be done though. even the "lowly" 35 remington(normally know as a "brush gun") can do 200yrds with ease.

i'd go 14" myself. you already gotta practice anyway. the 14" contender is not bad to pack with a sling set up.

i'd look heavily into the 30-30 ackley improved for an efficient powerful cartridge with tolerable recoil. also SSK's chamberings such as the 309jdj, 6.5jdj etc would be great. at times there are trade offs in recoil, powder consumption, brass availability, and $ spent! etc. that make certain cartridges advantageous to people with particular desires.
bottom line....make yourself happy, and not play follow the leader. you may have to try out a few things to decide what you really want.

For what you are looking for, I agree with Kyode.
7x30 Waters would be another one.

If I did not have contenders already I would get a 308 in the encore with a burris 2x-7x scope. The 308 has been a proven accurate round for years. If I was going to use the contender I would use the 375 jdj, but I am partial to that. It does require reloading though.

I'd also look at Mike Bellms cartridges which are also the X444 except for the way he cuts chambers is superior. I'm currently trying to get up to speed to be able to do my chambers the way he does but it will be a bit yet. Mikes chambers will be perfect and in the 308 Bellm it will be a tack driver.

An Encore is great but there is one question begging to be asked. What is your recoil tolerance? If you can handle the recoil I would say ditto on the .308 Win.

I do like the idea of a .270 WSM on an XP-100 though.

Insted of "shooting" a deer at 250 yds., invest in some cammies, scent block and a face mask and "hunt" them down to a range where caliber isn't a issue.

Good idea too! Although if your going Encore the options are endless with the 270 or 280 being two I really like. My 300 WM with the brake is a hammer down range but recoil is mild. I'm waiting on a Bullberry 7mm-08 I'm taking in on trade that will become a 7mm Rem Mag, mostly because I have several hundred rounds of brass and I like the 7mm for deer and antelope. I figure I should be able to get close to 3000fps with 140gr BT's and Accubonds. Other great options in the Encore would be the good ole' 30-06 or 25-06 but if deer is going to be the only thing on the menu the wait and balance of the Contender sure is nice.

Well i do have a ton of 30-06 brass, hmmm much to think about thanks for all the ideas.

If you are wanting to hunt with a Contender, I would suggest a 14" barrel chambered in 257 Raptor, 7-30 Waters, or 309 JDJ.

Johnny I have a 15" encore in 7mm-08 that I have killed deer at over 250 with. if you want to try it some time let me know im in the waterloo/seneca falls area and have access to our 300 yard club range anytime

My personal favorite deer cartridge in a single shot is the 309 JDJ. It will shoot sub MOA and will reach to 300 with no troubles.

Ditto!

JMHO’s…

This comes from the standpoint that you are a reloader…

In the Contender, a 375 JDJ shooting a 225 Hornady Sp at 2200 has roughly 1000 lbs of energy at 350 yards with a 14in barrel, and is a hammer.

In the Encore, a 308 Win shooting a 150 NBT at 2600 has roughly 1000 lbs of energy at 460 yards, with a 15in barrel, and it is a LOT more pleasurable to shoot than the 375 JDJ…
Also, the 7mm08 is a fine round capable of launching a 140gr projectile at 2500fps and obtaining 1000 lbs at 420 yards, with a 15in barrel. After owning both, “I” would rather shoot the 308 for “my” needs. But we are all different…

All have factory barrels available and All have a history of being inherently accurate for handloaders.

I am just throwing out some numbers, so take them for what it is worth.

Ps, I don’t look at the stats of a round to determine how far I can push their limitations.
EG, a 7-30 Water can push a 140gr NBT at 2200 an acquire 1000 foot pounds at 250 yards. HOWEVER, I look at the states to give me an idea of what the cartridge is capable of. With what I have at my disposal, I would rather take my 308 Win or 338 Fed out if I had the opportunity to reach out to 250 yards. IMHO, my own shooting will limit my 308 shooting range far before it reaches its… LOL

Me too; although it is nice to be able to make that longer shot after making a brutal stalk and that is all the closer you can get...especially out West here.

I also like the .309 JDJ and killed a caribou, and several mulies and 'lopes with mine.

Question, not to hijack the thread, but not worth starting another one.

Can someone comment on the difference between the contender and the encore pistol.

In essence, the Encore is a beefed up Contender that can handle the high pressure cartridges safely like the 243 Win, 308 Win and even the Win mag and Rem Mag cartridges.
The Contender was not designed for the higher pressure cartridges, unless the head of your case is the 222 Rem., 223, 222 Rem mag, 17 Rem, etc. You can safely use these "high pressure" cartridges in the Contender, because their head is so small in diameter that you can run the higher pressures safely.
Simple definition, but hopefully it answers the question

When I am in that mood, I just grab my bow.
Other than that a scoped revolver or a SP for me.
I enjoy each of the disciplines.

Thank you greatly Ernie!

Could anyone tell me how the recoil of the 30-06 compares to the .454 as that is the hottest handgun round i have fired.

(Can't chamber a 30-06 in a Contender safely)
Perceived recoil is a subjective thing, but an 06 has less recoil than a 454 to me.
But even that is hard to compare, since I do not know what kind of platform you have shot a 454 or what bullet weight(s).
A 30-06 Encore is very doable for some without a muzzle brake, but some would prefer a good brake.
A good MB will turn the 06 into a puffcake in terms of perceived recoil.
Describe the 454 you have shot before.
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I had a Super Redhawk in 454 for a few years and it was very hard on the hands, i am thinking of the Encore for the 30-06.

Do you reload?
First off, there is nothing wrong with the 06, but it is more than what you need for a 250 yard max deer rig.
But, IF the 06 is what you want-Get It!
The 280 Rem., which is also more than you need, but I would lean toward the 280 or even the 270 Win over the 30-06 simply because of less recoil with lighter bullets comparably and flatter trajectory with less wind drift to boot.
Not that big of am issue at 250 yards, but still an advantage nonetheless. Also, they both are more than competent if you begin to stretch your distances.

With increased powder capacity comes more recoil.
If you are recoil sensitive or think you might be be it can end up causing bad habits=Frustration and missed or wounded game.

A 7-08 or 308 is more than sufficient at these distances on deer sized game. Same with the 260 Rem or 6.5x47 Lapua
Call me recoil sensitive, but I like muzzle brakes.

I was thinking of the 06 because i have a ton of cases and components to reload. I would also like a muzzle brake, why beat yourself up for nothing.

With that in mind, sounds like the ole 06 would be a good choice.
When the smith puts on your brake have him recrown your barrel.
Some factory crowns are not that good. If you get a less than great crown job from the factory, re-crowning will help in the accuracy department.
Holland's Radial is my favorite still. Any competent gunsmith other than Holland can put a brake on your barrel though.

The '06 will giterdun, but you might wanna consider a 15" barrel to get all the good out of that case. A 12" is easier to tote, but the velocity loss is considerable within those 3" you'd be giving up.

Ditto s4s4u!
I would not recommend a 12" 06 either.
15" works good.

I would def go with the 15" on the 06, how much coin am i looking at for a brake? I might have to do some horse trading behind the wardens back to get this done.

the encore is a great gun. i have 2(used to have 4). one is in 6br and the other 7mm-08. the 7-08 would do 250yrd deer. an excellent deer rig....BUT....100% of the time i carry a contender in deer season. it is just a very noticeable lighter/smaller package, which i like. i'm ok to 200yrds.
IF i were regularly doing 250yrds with the contender, i'd narrow my cartridge choices down some(309jdj mentioned earlier might be a top pick). several will do 200 just fine(imo). 35rem and 30-30AI are great for that.

the 30-06 will be a powerhouse. a muzzle brake is extremely loud. make sure you wear hearing protection at all times, even when hunting.
.308 would be another option that would allow you to use your 30 cal. components. you would only have to get brass. that should be an easy cure. i don't interchange brass between guns anyway....

I would contact Eric Wallace for a good brake on your Encore barrel: 406-925-3947
Really good brake (Solid Bottomed) and installation for a fair price. He has built several SP's for me and I have several of his brakes.

The original Contender also has a different trigger mechanism and cannot be recocked without opening the action whereas the G2 and Encore can be recocked.

Contender Left and Encore Right

The Contender in the picture is a really old frame with internal trigger adjustments. I actually sent it back to the factory for an easy open conversion and it came back looking brand new...




Contender Left and Encore Right




Contender Left and Encore Right




Encore Left and G2 Contender Right

Lots of good info already. My personal favorite is the 7mm08.(have to go encore for that) It is the gun laying on my deer in the pic under my name. That deer was shot at 300yrds. It may be a good choice if you do want a short rig. I have seen several 7mm08 barrels for sale that were 12inches long. Makes me wonder if the 7 08 suffers less than others in a shorter barrel???

Also, the recoil is light enough that you might not have to brake it. Besides saving money, it would be better on the ears if you got caught with your pants down, and had to make a quick shot without your plugs in.

MN

As a rule, the smaller the bore, the more significant the velocity loss per inch.

Encores, 308, and 30-06, both unbraked, I use a Hornady 130 Gr.# 3020 bullet in both.

I shoot a 06 encore with 15in barrel unbreaked. never seen the need in it. plus dont overlook good grips either custom made or some that just feel good. couldnt hit worth a crap with factory encore grips,(to big for my hand) modified them to fit my hand made a world of difference

I had a Lone Eagle in 30-06 with 12" barrel. There was more powder burned out of the barrel then in. Was not a very accurate pistol after 100 yds. Looked mean though foot long flame out of the barrel and brake and did I say LOUD.