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Handgun, or no? #115322 08/09/2012 8:09 PM
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I wish to kill a turkey with a handgun but the powers that be in MN don't seem to understand. So, if I killed one with one of these, holding nothing but the grip, could I call it a "handgun" turkey? Bipod?

I'm gonna have to do some wrist excersizes ;-) What say ye?


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Re: Handgun, or no? [Re: s4s4u] #115324 08/09/2012 8:11 PM
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works for me
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Re: Handgun, or no? [Re: wapitirod] #115327 08/09/2012 8:32 PM
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Works for me as well -- LOL!


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Re: Handgun, or no? [Re: Whitworth] #115337 08/09/2012 9:54 PM
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Works for me also. Pennsylvania states shotgun is legal for spring turkey. No where does it say it had to be fired from the shoulder.
You've got me thinking Rod, cause I have on of those.

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Re: Handgun, or no? [Re: archr610] #115338 08/09/2012 10:07 PM
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Re: Handgun, or no? [Re: BBwheelgunner] #115340 08/09/2012 10:28 PM
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If you do this, be sure to film it:) I bet those turkey loads are stiff!

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Hmmm. Food for thought...


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Re: Handgun, or no? [Re: RUG1] #115349 08/09/2012 11:44 PM
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Good idea. No bipod though. It should be rested on the knee and fired with the stiffest 3 1/2" load you can find.
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I would use two hands unless you want to end up on You Tube.

Re: Handgun, or no? [Re: rlb] #115352 08/10/2012 12:39 AM
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 Originally Posted By: rlb
Good idea. No bipod though. It should be rested on the knee and fired with the stiffest 3 1/2" load you can find.
;\)


Whats a 3 1/2" load. LOL. Mossberg 500 doesn't eat 3 1/2"
I have fired 3" buckshot off the hip with this gun and didn't find it any fun.
I'm thinking: close up (no choke on mine), high brass #6's or standard turkey load, gun rested over a log or stump with sandbag or pack ala Contender style. Warm up the fryer.


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Re: Handgun, or no? [Re: archr610] #115353 08/10/2012 12:51 AM
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Turkey from the hip, still tastes the same.

Re: Handgun, or no? [Re: racksmasher] #115364 08/10/2012 2:26 AM
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OK, I'll be the Grinch That Stole Christmas. IMHO, hell no that's not a handgun. Show me a PUMP handgun somewhere in existence... plus, IMHO and opinion of judges, legal handgun barrels are 16" and less. Whatsmore, here in Alabama and likely most other states, the man in green and sometimes referred to as the Boogeyman must state that it "works for him" which in this case ain't gonna happen. Wish you well, tho!

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Re: Handgun, or no? [Re: kingfisher] #115376 08/10/2012 5:14 AM
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 Quote:
Show me a PUMP handgun somewhere in existence...


Would it make any difference if it were a single shot?


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Re: Handgun, or no? [Re: s4s4u] #115377 08/10/2012 7:29 AM
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Where are u, Ernie...let's see you weigh in on this.







Re: Handgun, or no? [Re: s4s4u] #115380 08/10/2012 10:30 AM
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 Originally Posted By: s4s4u
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Show me a PUMP handgun somewhere in existence...


Would it make any difference if it were a single shot?


I guess the length is what's goona get ya.

Re: Handgun, or no? [Re: kingfisher] #115381 08/10/2012 10:33 AM
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 Originally Posted By: kingfisher
legal handgun barrels are 16" and less. Whatsmore,


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Re: Handgun, or no? [Re: kingfisher] #115382 08/10/2012 10:46 AM
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 Originally Posted By: kingfisher
IMHO and opinion of judges, legal handgun barrels are 16" and less.


My definition is 6" or less.....LOL!


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Re: Handgun, or no? [Re: Whitworth] #115385 08/10/2012 11:07 AM
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 Originally Posted By: Whitworth
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IMHO and opinion of judges, legal handgun barrels are 16" and less.


My definition is 6" or less.....LOL!


I knew you would arrive, Whit
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Re: Handgun, or no? [Re: kingfisher] #115388 08/10/2012 11:27 AM
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Hey, gotta stay consistent! LOL!


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Re: Handgun, or no? [Re: Whitworth] #115394 08/10/2012 12:02 PM
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Would this allow you to be legal? In ga, turkey hunters are limited by ammo, not platform.

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Re: Handgun, or no? [Re: kingfisher] #115400 08/10/2012 1:16 PM
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 Originally Posted By: kingfisher
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Show me a PUMP handgun somewhere in existence...


Would it make any difference if it were a single shot?


I guess the length is what's goona get ya.


The only state that I am aware of that restricts a handgun barrel's maximum length is New York. I know many who have custom XP's and Strikers with barrels in excess of 16" in length. My first Contender pistol came with a 16-1/4" barrel. What's a couple of inches among friends ;-)


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Re: Handgun, or no? [Re: s4s4u] #115403 08/10/2012 2:53 PM
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 Originally Posted By: s4s4u
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Show me a PUMP handgun somewhere in existence...


Would it make any difference if it were a single shot?


I guess the length is what's goona get ya.


The only state that I am aware of that restricts a handgun barrel's maximum length is New York. I know many who have custom XP's and Strikers with barrels in excess of 16" in length. My first Contender pistol came with a 16-1/4" barrel. What's a couple of inches among friends ;-)


Illinois and Iowa 16"+ is a big no-no, but I agree with you--what's a few inches as long as you don't get caught!?

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Re: Handgun, or no? [Re: kingfisher] #115406 08/10/2012 3:31 PM
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Get caught doing what? There is nothing illegal about using a Mossberg 500 for turkey. The discussion was whether the folks on this board would consider it a handgun kill if used as a handgun, not about the legality of an 18" barreled handgun.


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Re: Handgun, or no? [Re: s4s4u] #115409 08/10/2012 3:40 PM
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The pistol grip makes it a pistol.


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Re: Handgun, or no? [Re: Whitworth] #115415 08/10/2012 5:21 PM
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no....


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Re: Handgun, or no? [Re: jamesfromjersey] #115417 08/10/2012 5:47 PM
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Hmmm. NC laws don't allow pistols for turkey, regardless of barrel length.

But...in the same fashion that gun owners can take a Savage or Remington rifle, put a rear grip stock on it and leave the barrel length long enough to clear a total overall length of 26", they're good with a "rifle" action in a pistol platform.

Heck my rear grip Weatherby isn't called a pistol by the manufacturer, but rather a CFP (Compact Firing Platform).

Really gray area - just depends on how your warden WANTS to interpret the local regs.

I'm gonna stick with my Benelli (full stock).

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I think he is simply trying to pass the shotgun off as a handgun to be able to post his results on this site. Am I correct?


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Re: Handgun, or no? [Re: Whitworth] #115422 08/10/2012 6:28 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Whitworth
I think he is simply trying to pass the shotgun off as a handgun to be able to post his results on this site. Am I correct?


Ding, ding, ding...

We have a winner!


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Re: Handgun, or no? [Re: s4s4u] #115423 08/10/2012 6:41 PM
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Wop de do..............


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Re: Handgun, or no? [Re: jamesfromjersey] #115431 08/10/2012 9:08 PM
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 Originally Posted By: jamesfromjersey
Wop de do..............


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 Originally Posted By: s4s4u
Get caught doing what? There is nothing illegal about using a Mossberg 500 for turkey. The discussion was whether the folks on this board would consider it a handgun kill if used as a handgun, not about the legality of an 18" barreled handgun.

Oh, what a tangled web we weave (G)

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I would suggest one of these......



"I" call it a handgun, but by NFA's definition it's a shotgun with a pistol grip. Either way, I get to turkey hunt with a 20ga. "handgun".
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Do they do a 12?


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 Originally Posted By: KRal
I would suggest one of these......



"I" call it a handgun, but by NFA's definition it's a shotgun with a pistol grip. Either way, I get to turkey hunt with a 20ga. "handgun".
\:D

Nice sight!

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 Originally Posted By: s4s4u
Do they do a 12?


Yes, but I wouldn't want to shoot one. I also have the 12ga. 24" barrel that I use to use (with shoulder stock). It's the worst gun I've ever fired (recoil), and I've owned three M835 3.5".


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We can use 20 gauge now so I might have to look into that prospect.

How long of a tube there Kim?


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For some reason I feel we are dealing with an ego. Don't know why??? At least that's what my friends tell me about my cannons (G)

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 Originally Posted By: kingfisher
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Show me a PUMP handgun somewhere in existence...


Would it make any difference if it were a single shot?


I guess the length is what's goona get ya.


The only state that I am aware of that restricts a handgun barrel's maximum length is New York. I know many who have custom XP's and Strikers with barrels in excess of 16" in length. My first Contender pistol came with a 16-1/4" barrel. What's a couple of inches among friends ;-)


Illinois and Iowa 16"+ is a big no-no, but I agree with you--what's a few inches as long as you don't get caught!?


Huh?

Sorry but ya lost me on that one.








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 Originally Posted By: s4s4u
We can use 20 gauge now so I might have to look into that prospect.

How long of a tube there Kim?


It's a t/c custom shop 20" turkey barrel. With the factory grip and supplied choke tube, it's 26 1/8" oal. I tried a pacmyre grip, but it's 1/8" too short; have to stick with factory grip.


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No, it's not a handgun. It's a shotgun under NFA regs. The "caliber" size also would make it a "Destructive device" if it was considered a handgun, subject to the same tax / licensing as full autos, etc.

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