Moderate 44 and 45 Hunting Loads
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09/13/2012 12:28 PM
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As the 44 special thread fades away, I'd like to ask the question a little differently: Has anyone used a 44 or 45 bullet at 1000-1100 fps for deer or hog hunting? I'd like to hear about your real life experiences -- good or bad. Please share bullet details too.
Special thanks to Reflex for his great info under the 44 special thread!
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Re: Moderate 44 and 45 Hunting Loads
[Re: Oscar]
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09/13/2012 1:02 PM
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I'm no expert, barely a rookie. But I have taken one deer w the load you describe. I shot a 2-3 year old buck with a 255 Keith moving around 1000 fps. I didn't get the blood trail I wanted (no blood could be found). I'm not blaming the bullet or the load, my shot was a little right of where I wanted to hit. If I stick with cast, I would use a WFN or LFN next time. I have been having good luck accuracy wise with the XTP's and might just go that route for my next deer season. story here. I guess I never posted it here? Correction to story, it was a hard cast 255 from doubletap, not Buffalo bore soft cast. I happened to look at the brass later that year from the hunt. At that speed with a SWC design, I think you benefit a lot from "softer" cast bullets.
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Re: Moderate 44 and 45 Hunting Loads
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09/13/2012 2:08 PM
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reflex264
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What I have found is some designs work better at low velocities. The 240SWCBB design from Magnus leaves a great wound channel even at 850fps. He also has a 255gr SWCBB for .45s that punches a great hole at low velocities. It would be worth looking at. If you cast your own try some keiths out of 50/50 ww-pb and air cooling them. reflex264
"A quiet hit in the right place is better than a loud miss in the wrong place followed by 10 more shots on the run"
I was a handgun hunter, when handgun wasn't cool.....
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Re: Moderate 44 and 45 Hunting Loads
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09/16/2012 1:14 AM
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I shoot 10 grains of Unique under a Lyman 429421 SWC for about 1000fps at deer with great success and complete pass throughs on Illinois whitetails. I have no doubt that in my 25-5 probably 8 grains of Win 231 under a 260 LBT Keith WC will do the same. Both are very accurate in my guns and pleasant to shoot. Steve
Last edited by S.B.; 09/16/2012 2:17 AM.
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Re: Moderate 44 and 45 Hunting Loads
[Re: reflex264]
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09/16/2012 2:22 AM
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ww=wheel weights? pb=plain base? And 50/50 or what? I'm confused. Please enlighten me? Steve
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"The Original Point and Click Interface was a Smith & Wesson."
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Re: Moderate 44 and 45 Hunting Loads
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09/16/2012 2:30 AM
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50% wheelweights and 50% pure lead(pb)
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Re: Moderate 44 and 45 Hunting Loads
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09/19/2012 12:20 PM
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reflex264
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Magnus bullets is casting a 429421 now. We haven't had time or weather to cast bullets. Matt bought a box of them so I loaded some a couple of nights ago in .44 magnums and .44 Specials. I will get to shoot them tomorrow and can tell how they did. Terry's bullets are very consistent and seem to be just the right amount of tough for a good hunting cast bullet. Theyare sized .430 which will work in most of our guns. If the accuracy is there I will use some on deer this year. reflex264
"A quiet hit in the right place is better than a loud miss in the wrong place followed by 10 more shots on the run"
I was a handgun hunter, when handgun wasn't cool.....
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Re: Moderate 44 and 45 Hunting Loads
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09/20/2012 11:20 AM
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Someone please explain "moderate" to me?
Just kidding!
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Re: Moderate 44 and 45 Hunting Loads
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09/20/2012 12:34 PM
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reflex264
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"A quiet hit in the right place is better than a loud miss in the wrong place followed by 10 more shots on the run"
I was a handgun hunter, when handgun wasn't cool.....
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Re: Moderate 44 and 45 Hunting Loads
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09/20/2012 1:57 PM
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Someone please explain "moderate" to me? 'Tis a place of fantasy, hidden somewhere between a conservative and a socialist ;-)
Rod, too.
Short cuts often lead to long recoveries.
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Re: Moderate 44 and 45 Hunting Loads
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09/20/2012 2:02 PM
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Hahaha! Very good!
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Re: Moderate 44 and 45 Hunting Loads
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09/21/2012 12:14 AM
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No expert myself but 8.5grs of w231 behind a 260-280gr bullet will put a deer and black bears lights out if placed properly. I like 13grs of hs-6 a little better but your velocity will increase to 1000-1100fps.
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Re: Moderate 44 and 45 Hunting Loads
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09/22/2012 1:14 PM
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No need to be an expert! I'm hoping for actual field use details. I would love to hear the bullet and hunting performance details from anyone actually using "milder" loads to hunt. I've been handgun hunting for a long time and the only thing I'm sure about is that the 240 XTP is a good deer bullet at typical 44 magnum velocities. This season I want to try hunting with my 44 special!
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Re: Moderate 44 and 45 Hunting Loads
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09/22/2012 3:07 PM
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reflex264
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I meant to ask which gun you have. Another of my favorite loads in the larger frame guns is a 255CPB over 8.5grs U-Clays. Breaks 1000fps from the 6" guns and drives tacks from all of them but don't stick it in a Charter!!!!! reflex264
"A quiet hit in the right place is better than a loud miss in the wrong place followed by 10 more shots on the run"
I was a handgun hunter, when handgun wasn't cool.....
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Re: Moderate 44 and 45 Hunting Loads
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09/22/2012 7:43 PM
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I shot a doe antelope at a bit over 100 yards with a 250 grain cast swc hollowpoint last year. Load was 6.5 grains of red dot. Velocity was around 900 fps from a 5.5 inch barreled ruger new model blackhawk 45 colt. Just the other day we ate some more steaks from her. (yeah, it kills just fine)
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Re: Moderate 44 and 45 Hunting Loads
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09/23/2012 11:57 PM
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OK so how does factory ammo compare to moderate ....lets say Hornady 44 mag 240 grain xtp hp?If you dont mind me asking as I dont hand load yet.
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Re: Moderate 44 and 45 Hunting Loads
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09/25/2012 4:00 AM
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Oscar
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I'm shooting an FA 97 so no problem with gun strength. But the gun's so light that the recoil reminds me of 44 mag if I get much over 1100 fps. My gun likes a 240 WFN going about 1050 fps. This is the load I think I'll try this season.
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Re: Moderate 44 and 45 Hunting Loads
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09/25/2012 4:04 AM
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There's nothing moderate about Hornady Custom 240 XTP. It's a full power 44 mag load -- and an excellent deer load if your gun likes it.
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Re: Moderate 44 and 45 Hunting Loads
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09/25/2012 9:57 AM
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There's nothing moderate about Hornady Custom 240 XTP. It's a full power 44 mag load -- and an excellent deer load if your gun likes it. thanks Oscar puts the conversation into prospective for us non profesonals...As I only play a smart guy on tv,,
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Re: Moderate 44 and 45 Hunting Loads
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09/28/2012 2:46 AM
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I like my 8.5grns Unique with 250grn lead bullets. That poor old 45Colt just keeps on shooting and killing. Won't break the bank or the wrist!!!!!!!!
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