44 Mag Load Data Needed
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I ran out of 2400, and ended up with a couple pounds of H-110. I have a couple hundred .430 240gr XTP's and CCI 300 and 350 primers.
I'd like to stick with the CCI 300's if possible, but have magnums if it is absolutely necessary. Is this OK?
Second question is that I have a Lee Auto Disk powder measure. I can get either 22.3 or 24 grains of H110. I was thinking of using 23, but that's not possible. Does anyone have a book to look up the following:
240gr. XTP, .430 22.3 and/or 24gr H-110 CCI 300 and/or 350 Standard Brass (Winchester) COL??
Will be used in both SRH 7.5" and 77/44 18.5" carbine, primarily to hunt with.
I'm seeing guys use 23gr. successfully, but I don't have that option with the Auto Disk.
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Re: 44 Mag Load Data Needed
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10/17/2012 3:52 AM
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24 grains of H110 is max with a 240 JHP according to my Hodgdon's book, and 22.3 is below the minimum of 23. Enter at your own risk, although the SRH is a stout gun and some load it hotter than that. You might try the lighter load and see how it shoots, my 45 Colt 250 XTP load is slightly below minimum with H110 but it shoots well. You may want to look for a different pwder measure that can be adjusted, 1.7 grains of limbo is way too much, IMO.
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Re: 44 Mag Load Data Needed
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10/17/2012 3:56 AM
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Yep, that's what scares me. Hate that damn Auto Disk, but it's all I have at the moment, and it's near impossible to not use it on my Pro 1000.
I don't mind the 24gr in the 77/44 carbine, but I would sure hate to mess up my SRH (otherwise known as "my baby"), or worse....
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Re: 44 Mag Load Data Needed
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10/17/2012 3:59 AM
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Can you use the 1000 as a single stage or is it progressive only? I would sure hate to mess up my SRH The SRH is a tank, and there are less worthy 44's out there that are taken into account with load data. I doubt that you would break it with 24 grains, but the most accurate load may be somewhere in that limbo area.
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Rod, too.
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10/17/2012 4:20 AM
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I've been using 24.0gr of H110 under my 240gr XTP's for round 'bout 20 years now. Super load if you ask me. I would think the 300's would work, but all I have ever used has been the 350's.
My COL is 1.600".
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10/17/2012 4:22 AM
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Progressive only. I may try to return the powder tomorrow and wait to get the 2400 - if I can.
I suppose as long as I don't go over max I'm ok, but I do shoot a lot, and have 2 lbs of H-110 to use up. I'm not sure I want the additional wear and tear on my pistol.
Alternatively, I could load just for the rifle, but I really want one load for both to minimize the chance of putting the really hot stuff in the pistol.
Or, maybe I'm just worrying too much?
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10/17/2012 4:29 AM
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Thanks, Steve. Experience makes me feel better about it. I guess I'm just a little put off by looking at different manuals and finding such a difference in load data.
I even subscribe to Load Data .com and found a large amount of discrepancy between 240 gr. bullets. Large variations, with the same specifications. Makes me a little uncomfortable when I get so many different results.
It was a whole lot easier loading the .45acp with Red Dot and then loading 12ga with Red Dot. One powder made it much easier. The .44 Mag and 2400 seems to be a great combo, but unfortunately I just spent around $50-$60 on H-110 that I may not be able to return.
I'll try it and see what happens - look for the obvious over-pressure signs, etc....
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10/17/2012 12:01 PM
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Load with no worries 24grs under a 240XTP. The SRH is the strongest revolver made,a tank as it is often called. I use to load a 250gr Nosler Partitions in a plain redhawk with more H110 than 24grs and had no ill effects on the gun what so ever,but a few white-tails didn't like the effects.
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10/17/2012 1:00 PM
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I don't mind the 24gr in the 77/44 carbine, but I would sure hate to mess up my SRH (otherwise known as "my baby"), or worse.... You're not going to hurt your SRH with that load. They can take a severe beating and not flinch.
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10/17/2012 1:02 PM
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I think you will be fine with 24gr. The other benefit you may find is that H-110 really.....really likes to be loaded up near the top end. It seems that most serious loaders find their sweet spot right around the max load. Also spend about $10 and get yourself one of the adjustable charge bars. I have one on each of my Lee Auto Disks and can reliably adjust charge weights in under .1gr increments.
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10/17/2012 1:48 PM
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I have shot many a 240gr with 24gr of H110 out of my SRH & SBH. I would be more worried about minimal loads...
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10/17/2012 10:17 PM
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Not saying that it would be safe in your gun, but I am shooting 25 grains of H110 with a 240 XTP in my Ruger Hunter with no extraction problems. My barrel is a little big internally though.
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10/18/2012 1:14 PM
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I think you will be fine with 24gr. The other benefit you may find is that H-110 really.....really likes to be loaded up near the top end. It seems that most serious loaders find their sweet spot right around the max load. Also spend about $10 and get yourself one of the adjustable charge bars. I have one on each of my Lee Auto Disks and can reliably adjust charge weights in under .1gr increments. I second this. Those stinking auto disks nearly soured me on reloading. The charge bar literally lets you dial in a load.
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It also allows you to deal with the day to day variation of how well certain powders are flowing.
I used to write down the actual setting for the charge bar for each load that I threw, thinking it would make it a snap to reset back to the same load.........WRONG!
Different days yielded different charge weights given the same volumetric setting. I think it has something to do with the humidity in the air and how the powder flows. In any case each time I sit down to load, I drag out my scale and measure, adjust, measure, adjust...until I am throwing the exact charge I want.
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24 gr. with a 240 is fine, and was Wichester's recommended load for years with 296, which is the same powder. I strongly recommend the use of magnum primers, like CCI 350, which will make a difference in cold weather.
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10/20/2012 12:00 AM
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I just found the "micro meter" and ordered it as soon as I saw it. Makes me feel a lot better.
Also, looking at Hornady's book, my 22.3gr H-110 is right in the middle of min and max. Loaded 50 last night and found out this might be my favorite load. Shot really well at 50 yds...
Also loaded some for the 77/44 (I know, not a rifle forum!) and it did much better than factory ammo.
I think I'll shoot some on paper with the 24gr., and use them for hunting, keeping the 22.3 for paper stuff primarily. I also found out that the AutoDisk 1.46 is volume of 19.7gr. of 2400, and 22.3gr. of H-110. I didn't even have to change the disk!
Needless to say, once I get the "charge bar" for the Lee, I'll be weighing and getting the exact load I want.
I just have to wonder about the discrepancies in reloading manuals. I guess I trust the bullet manufacturer as much as anyone else.
Thanks for the advice - can't wait to kill a hog with the 24gr of H-110!!!
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10/20/2012 3:01 AM
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I just have to wonder about the discrepancies in reloading manuals. I guess I trust the bullet manufacturer as much as anyone else.
I've found the bullet maker's data is usually more conservative than the powder maker's, and I believe it is because the bullet makers view the propellant as a significant variable. The powder makers know that the bullet is a constant, and are very confident in their abilities so they get all they can. It's a "better safe than sorry" kind of thing for the bullet boys. Whenever possible I look at both and compromise for a start, but Hodgdon's is my bible so to speak. Glad you found a load you like, that 22.3 load should be going +1,300 FPS and that will go clean through any deer. If it shoots good, no need to beat yourself up....
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10/21/2012 8:31 PM
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Yep, that's what scares me. Hate that damn Auto Disk, but it's all I have at the moment, and it's near impossible to not use it on my Pro 1000.
I don't mind the 24gr in the 77/44 carbine, but I would sure hate to mess up my SRH (otherwise known as "my baby"), or worse.... The SRH can take any load that your rifle can stand 24 gr of H-110 is an excellent load with the 240 XTP
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