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Pig with a .45 ACP! #172166 08/20/2016 8:15 AM
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I set out this evening to kill a pig with my Kimber TLE/RL II in .45 ACP with 230gr Federal Hydra Shok ammo. I wanted to see if the .45 ACP would fit my needs for close night time pig killing or if I really needed to look into the 10mm for the job.

I arrived around 9:00 PM at one of the smaller properties that I cull pigs at for a farmer friend. Scanning the field, I only saw deer. So, I drove on over to a larger property he farms and looked around there for a bit. But, I only saw one pig there and he disappeared into the cotton.

Arriving back at the first property.......I found what I was after. A huge band of pigs had entered the field and were feeding on the cut wheat. There were too many to count. Just a mass of crop destroying vacuums. Grabbing my gear, I headed south to get down wind of the band and then turned east to close the distance.

I had a TC Contender in .44 Mag that I had rigged up with a laser instead of a scope. I would use that if I was unable to get within 50 yards of a pig. But, my main weapon of the night was my Kimber TLE/RL II with a Streamlight M6 Light/Laser mounted on the rail and shooting Federal 230gr Hydra Shok ammo. This is the defensive ammo I carry in the gun and supposedly has a good reputation. Supposedly.

I slowly made my way towards the band of pigs as they fed through the field. Anticipating their route, I side stepped as needed and continued to close the distance. At 75 yards, I sat down, and hoped that they would continue on their path to pass within 25 yards of me. There were a mixture of sows and piglets with 3 boars in the mix. To my left was the maid group with all the sows and boars. To my right was a band of about 20 unattended piglets. I had no interest in them as there wouldn't provide the ballistic data I was after. They were simply interference for my main target.......that being one of the boars.

As the oars moved closer with the main group..........so did the piglets. Passing within 15 yards of me as I sat exposed in the middle of the field, I hoped the little suckers wouldn't blow my cover. One of the boars was about 40 yards away and moving closer. But, he was facing right at me and I didn't want to shoot at that angle. Unfortunately for me, there was a sow ahead of him. I kept the gun oriented towards the boar, waiting for him to turn........but, I kept my eye on the sow. It was just shy of a full moon and that moon was up and behind them. Meaning..........I was in full light for them.

Suddenly......at about 30-35 yards.........the lead sow stopped abruptly...........raised her head..........and stared right at me. DOAH!!!!! Busted!

I wasted no time panning the gun towards her. Quartering towards me, I painted her shoulder with the laser and sent a 230gr Hydra Shok on it's way. On impact, she dipped and spun away. Kicking it into hyper drive, she headed for the woods. I painted her with the laser again and sent another round into her flank as she sped away. Knowing I'd hit her twice, I looked for another target. Finding a boar..............way out there............I lit him up with the laser and started mortaring round his way. Yeah.........that didn't work. I could see the round impact short. I aimed higher..........and saw the round hit behind him. One more sent and landed short and behind. I don't know how far he was.........but he was further than I was capable of hitting a moving target with a .45 ACP...........that's for sure.

Looking back at my sow, she was nearing the end of her run. She finally stopped and teetered over. I gathered my gear and paced off the distance to her. As I neared her, I saw she was breathing her final breaths, so I waited for her to pass, then finished my pace.

130 yards of travel from start to finish.



I didn't weigh her, but I guess she is around 85-100 pounds or so. Or, I could be way off. No clue.

Entrance of First Shot (Yellow arrow from now on)


Entrance Under Hide / Exit of Second Shot (Black arrow from now on)








Under Shoulder


Under Ribs


Thoracic Cavity




Both rounds struck the right lung.

Path through Liver




Entrance of 2nd shot (after I gutted her and cut her udders off so it appears lower than it actually was)


Both rounds passed through the stomach and intestines as well. But, for the life of me, I couldn't find the first bullet. I dug through the stomach and intestines to no avail. I either missed the bullet or it's lodged in the hams somewhere. But, neither shot exited! They just bisected the body shoulder to ham (1st shot) and ham to shoulder (2nd shot).

I do not currently know what the first round looks like, but, the second round and the only recovered bullet had......for all intents and purposes...........no expansion.



I can say that I am NOT impressed with the performance of this jacketed bullet. At least........not at 30-35 yards. The muzzle velocity of this round out of my gun is 886 fps. It has apparently slowed down to much at 30 yards to effectively induce expansion. I might as well have had a Hard Cast bullet and after these results........I wish I did.

So, let me FIRST say that I am VERY pleased and excited that I was able to accomplish my goal. To stalk within 30ish yards of a group of pigs and take one with a .45 ACP is pretty stinking cool and fun in my book. I can put that down as one of my favorite pig hunts. I am a happy camper in that regard.

As to the performance of the round? It killed the pig. I hit her twice and she ran 130 yards in a few seconds. There is no question that it did internal damage as the blood and damage to the organs shows. But, I attribute that to the fact that the bullet itself is already .45cal in diameter! That in itself is a big chunk to pass through the internal organs. But, the bullet didn't expand as it was designed to do.

Did I really expect it to expand? Not really. I knew as the distance increased, the chance of expansion would decrease. It just didn't have the velocity. Do I think the .45 ACP is a first rate hunting cartridge? No. Do I think it will work? Well.............obviously.

Seeing what I have seen........I would choose a Hard Cast bullet with as wide a meplate as would feed and 200+ grains behind it. Then, hope that you aren't in a heavily wooded location, because I wouldn't expect much external blood.

I have satisfied my itch. I have accomplished my goal. I have taken a medium game animal with a .45 ACP............in the dark. Check that off the list.



Now...............I think I need a 10mm for a dedicated night hunting semi-auto pistol. Something with more velocity.

By the way, I cut the hams off the pig in whole configuration. Basically, I have the entire butt of the pig with hide and all sitting in a cooler.

I will be utilizing that to perform ballistic testing on some defensive rounds.

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The 230 XTP +P in 45 ACP expands well, penetrates well and kills well on the one hog that I killed.

I would go to 45 Super for what you are looking for, in my experience the 45 Super penetrates as well as the 10mm with a larger wound channel

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On big hogs with a shield I even found the 10mm to lack.....the bullets all seemed designed for 2 legged critters

But with all that the 165 Sierra seemed to do the best

With the 45 I had decent results with 200 grain +p loads....I can't remember the brand but they were factory.....I think Speer

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Interesting...thanks for posting and congratulations on the pig!

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Excellent report Zee, as usual. I have been wondering about the same thing for years, but when you have so many other firearms that need to be used on animals it never happens. I bought a 460 Rowland conversion a couple of years back and it still hasn't been blooded yet. Congrats on the pig, and I hope you kill every damn one of them!

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 Originally Posted By: jwp475


The 230 XTP +P in 45 ACP expands well, penetrates well and kills well on the one hog that I killed.

I would go to 45 Super for what you are looking for, in my experience the 45 Super penetrates as well as the 10mm with a larger wound channel


Thanks. Yeah, the 10mm is looking pretty good for this particular use I'm trying to fill.


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Re: Pig with a .45 ACP! [Re: Hoggin] #172176 08/20/2016 1:40 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Hoggin
On big hogs with a shield I even found the 10mm to lack.....the bullets all seemed designed for 2 legged critters

But with all that the 165 Sierra seemed to do the best

With the 45 I had decent results with 200 grain +p loads....I can't remember the brand but they were factory.....I think Speer


If I end up with a 10mm, I'm looking towards the 180 or 200gr XTP......well.........because of the price and that I've been happy with all the other XTP bullets I've used. That, or Double Tap 200gr WFN=GC bullets.

Thoughts?


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Re: Pig with a .45 ACP! [Re: Darrell H] #172177 08/20/2016 1:40 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Darrell H
Interesting...thanks for posting and congratulations on the pig!


Thanks.


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Re: Pig with a .45 ACP! [Re: Mech 8] #172178 08/20/2016 1:41 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Mech 8
Excellent report Zee, as usual. I have been wondering about the same thing for years, but when you have so many other firearms that need to be used on animals it never happens. I bought a 460 Rowland conversion a couple of years back and it still hasn't been blooded yet. Congrats on the pig, and I hope you kill every damn one of them!


So does the farmer. Ha! I'm trying!!!


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Great post, and great shooting!


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Thanks.


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Congrats! Nothing like field testing. I'm not acquainted with too much factory ammo; what's the bullet used in that federal ammo?


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 Originally Posted By: KRal
Congrats! Nothing like field testing. I'm not acquainted with too much factory ammo; what's the bullet used in that federal ammo?


The 230gr Hydra Shok. This is ammo I've had since 1994.


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Sounds like "SCIENCE" is a lot more fun than I considered it in school....Good work!
Great shooting on the fly too!!!


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Here is the XTP that I recovered from about a 100 pounder running away from me. The XTP penetrated about 20". The bullet entered the right ham passed through the intestines took out the liver and I found it in the chest cavity. The other bullet is a CEB Rapter 150 45.

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Nice work Zee!

I want to take a deer/pig with the 185 TAC-XP out of the 45 this year.

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Congrats! Great story and assessment of the terminal ballistics.


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Good shooting Zee, great pictures!

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Wouldn't .45 acp FMJ be a good choice for hogs? I like the xtp,s,,, the 300 grains in .45 colt.

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 Originally Posted By: TGC
Wouldn't .45 acp FMJ be a good choice for hogs? I like the xtp,s,,, the 300 grains in .45 colt.


I'd rather have a wide meplate if I ain't gonna get expansion.


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 Originally Posted By: Zee
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Wouldn't .45 acp FMJ be a good choice for hogs? I like the xtp,s,,, the 300 grains in .45 colt.


I'd rather have a wide meplate if I ain't gonna get expansion.


This.

Plus, using a full metal jacket for hunting may not even be legal there. I know it's not in my state.


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Zee your story is very timely as I just bought a box of Buffalo Bore 45 ACP + in 200 JHP. I plan to carry my Kimber tactical entry this fall and hopefully get an up close encounter with some pigs. Hopefully I'll have some good luck with this ammo and provide a report on its performance.

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Keep me posted!!!


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Way to go Zorro...............
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its not easy to sneak up on a passel of pigs.....


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Interesting. Performance like that led me to the .45 Super and then on to the .460 Rowland. A 230gr xtp at 1400fps is whole new ball of wax.


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Interesting. Performance like that led me to the .45 Super and then on to the .460 Rowland. A 230gr xtp at 1400fps is whole new ball of wax.


I have no doubt. The ACP just doesn't have enough velocity to keep it a viable hunting round much past 25 yards. At least, not with jacketed bullets.


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Interesting. Performance like that led me to the .45 Super and then on to the .460 Rowland. A 230gr xtp at 1400fps is whole new ball of wax.


I have no doubt. The ACP just doesn't have enough velocity to keep it a viable hunting round much past 25 yards. At least, not with jacketed bullets.


The 45 ACP +P has had no trouble taking deer or pigs for me out to 50 yards

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Hey Zee, great info and write up. Aside from the performance issues with the ammo, I'd be interested in your views on the effectiveness of laser/light combos for handgun hunting hogs at night. Most of the info just refers to close range tactical/defensive usage (and sales hype).

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 Originally Posted By: Walkingthemup
Hey Zee, great info and write up. Aside from the performance issues with the ammo, I'd be interested in your views on the effectiveness of laser/light combos for handgun hunting hogs at night. Most of the info just refers to close range tactical/defensive usage (and sales hype).


In this case, I didn't use the light. Just the laser. This model, which I like, has the option of:

Light
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Laser

So, this night I was just running the laser. Which..........when coupled with night vision............works stunningly well.

:-)


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Helmet-mounted PVS-14 is high on the acquire list.

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 Originally Posted By: jwp475
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Interesting. Performance like that led me to the .45 Super and then on to the .460 Rowland. A 230gr xtp at 1400fps is whole new ball of wax.


I have no doubt. The ACP just doesn't have enough velocity to keep it a viable hunting round much past 25 yards. At least, not with jacketed bullets.


The 45 ACP +P has had no trouble taking deer or pigs for me out to 50 yards


Yep the +P also brings in a whole new power level.


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 Originally Posted By: SChunter


Helmet-mounted PVS-14 is high on the acquire list.


The newer stuff is even better.

:evilgrin:


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Interesting. Performance like that led me to the .45 Super and then on to the .460 Rowland. A 230gr xtp at 1400fps is whole new ball of wax.


I have no doubt. The ACP just doesn't have enough velocity to keep it a viable hunting round much past 25 yards. At least, not with jacketed bullets.


The 45 ACP +P has had no trouble taking deer or pigs for me out to 50 yards


Yep the +P also brings in a whole new power level.


I have some 185gr +P I could try.


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One thing I have to add about Zee is that no one.....and I mean no one does such a complete after action report as he does. The only other place I`ve seen photos like his were in books.....
keep up the great work......


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Helmet-mounted PVS-14 is high on the acquire list.


The newer stuff is even better.

:evilgrin:


I was thinking that, but you said it!
That ornery part of you causing guys to lust even more for what they can't have...


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One thing I have to add about Zee is that no one.....and I mean no one does such a complete after action report as he does.

It's in his DNA


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 Originally Posted By: jamesfromjersey
One thing I have to add about Zee is that no one.....and I mean no one does such a complete after action report as he does. The only other place I`ve seen photos like his were in books.....
keep up the great work......




Wow!

That is the best compliment I've received since joining this site. And from you!! I don't know what to say, but a heartfelt thanks.

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Helmet-mounted PVS-14 is high on the acquire list.


The newer stuff is even better.

:evilgrin:


I was thinking that, but you said it!
That ornery part of you causing guys to lust even more for what they can't have...


Fuel the fire.


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 Originally Posted By: Zee

The newer stuff is even better.

:evilgrin:


You dirty equipment ho (I mean that nicely)...I'm all ears. I'm a dirty equipment ho too...

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