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Second Chance #176973 01/02/2017 5:17 PM
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2016. What a year! I started out with my passion-groundhog hunting. Coyotes and my persistent dogging of them has severely depleted the population. Years of 500 kills with a high of 634 are just dreams. The new norm is way down, only 217 this year. My yearly records show 140 single shot handgun kills and 77 revolver/auto kills. Lifetime totals are : rifles(before 1978)-835, single shots-8569, revolvers/autos-3461. Grand total: 12,865 groundhogs. For the first time the majority of my kills were with the lowly .22 LR (55) with my Quiet Gun, a suppressed Ruger MKIII. Groundhogs in fields are gone. Most kills are fence rows, abandoned buildings, trash piles. This gun is a SSK masterpiece

June changed my life. I passed out in the office, hit my head on concrete. A few days later dizziness and a headache led to a CT of my head which showed a massive blood clot in my brain. Emergency surgery followed. I had no speech for a week. I thought I was going to be a cripple.
Then a slow recovery followed. For 6 weeks I couldn't drive, shoot, or do any physical activity except rehab.
Deer permits (75) came right before my accident. I was able to take 7, the longest being 581 yds. with a 6.5/.284 Encore with a Burris 3-12BPlex and a 143 gr. Hornady ELD-X, which I found very lacking.
I was allowed to start shooting before I could drive or walk a lot. Permits were still good. A friend from GA volunteered to come to WV, drive me around, and clean all my deer. There are not many friends like that.
I was worried that I'd lost my touch. The first kill was 351 yds. and the second was exactly 500 yards. The Hit Man was back!!!

Then I had another health emergency that almost took me. I had another 5 weeks of recovery. Rehab to fight the ever present weakness. Problem here was the last week of recovery was WV fall bear season. I made a deal with my docs. I would watch a cornfield where I've taken 4 bears the last 6 years WITHOUT DOGS and fire no more than 3 shots. They agreed.
The first 5 days were fruitless due to some dog hunters trespassing and spooking the bears. Day #6 was uneventful until 5 PM. A large bear came up the river bank to the corn. I heard the wack of the 200 gr. AB in my .325 WSM XP at 160 yds, the same gun I'd done one two years earlier at 289 yds. He fell, got up and ran to the corn.
I found a good blood trail and marked it. I was still on restricted activity, but I'd made a deal with two teens to help me. Neither were home! I followed the trail a little and marked it, but got really tired. went to the farmer and he promised to get his cousin to trail the bear with dogs the following morning. That never happened.
I hate loosing game. Two weeks later the farmer started cutting corn about 1/2 mile to the left of the large hole in the corn in the photo(bear damage). He found my bear. I boiled out the skull. That's 5 bears, 7 years, NO DOGS.

I was finally released for all activities. WV fall turkey season was starting. I went to my farm where I'd had good luck. I sat for 2 days calling without luck. At 5PM on day #3 a flock of 40 or so birds came to a field to eat grasshoppers. I couldn't find a gobbler, so I shot the largest hen at 38 yards with my 7 1/2" FA .454 and 260 gr. Speer Mag HP. This tough bullet does not expand and only causes a 1" area of destruction. I shoot all my turkeys in the wing butt. I've had 41 one shot kills on turkeys with no losses with this combo. After failures with several other handguns, this is my only turkey set up

Next came WV deer season. I was skunked the first 3 days. Day #4 had a buck chasing a doe on my farm. He stopped 75 yds. away to catch his breath. A fatal mistake. 6.5/.284 XP, 130 AB hitting the tail of the lungs just as he started running. Dropped after 50 yds.

A typical WV 7 point-small horns, big body.
I had booked two out of state hunts before my health scares. I was weak, but determined to go. First up was mule deer in Colorado. I was the first handgunner here. They were suspicious of my gun, my abilities of long range shooting, and my stamina (grey hair and all). I just smiled.
The shot of my backpack was 188 yds. with my 6.5/.284 XP and 130 gr. AB. They were amazed that I could do that. It wasn't a monster, but I was satisfied all things considered.

Next up was Arizona for Coues deer. I've seen many handgunners doing this desert ghosts. I read Coues hunting required being in "sheep shape". How bad could the flat desert be? Well, the Sonoran Desert is not flat or hot.
First day was 25* at 4:15AM when I got up. We walked 3 miles in hilly, rolling terrain with 6-12" rocks every 6-12" on the ground. It was very hard walking. We sat on the tallest knoll in the area the entire day and saw about 50 deer. The largest were 3 bucks 1200 yards away. The 3 mile walk out was brutal on my out of shape body.
The next morning saw a route change, but still 3 miles in (GPS confirmed). We were where we'd seen the 3 bucks. I'd used my BogPod as a walking stick. It really helped and it was mandatory since the brush (with stickers) was chest high allowing no shots off my backpack.
A little after daylight a small buck came up a draw in front of us. ten minutes later another small buck. Ten minutes after that a larger buck. It was conference time. I'd wanted a super Coues. This one was above average and the largest one we'd seen. 9 1/2 miles of walking had wiped my body out. I was still out of shape. My guide recommended I take this one. I reluctantly agreed.
The BogPod with PBR rest was set up. My 6.5/.284 XP set there with a small sandbag below the butt. The 130 gr. AB dropped the buck with a double shoulder shot at 264 yds. My guide had questioned my ability on the shot. He was minded repeatedly about this. The little buck was not so little. He was about the size of a 3 yr. old WV buck, 120-130#.
The 3 mile walk out was brutal for me. I was totally wasted
My take on this hunt was that Arizona was "No Country for Old Men".

2016 was indeed a weird. My docs said I was lucky I didn't die X 2. I was given a second chance on life. I intend to make the most of it.

Re: Second Chance [Re: wvhitman] #176974 01/02/2017 5:22 PM
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Congrats all-around! Well done -- especially on the Coues deer!

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Fantastic post. Thanks for sharing. We'll done indeed, and a testament to not giving up when it isn't necessarily easy for a bit.

Re: Second Chance [Re: Mark Hampton] #176976 01/02/2017 5:53 PM
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Thanks for the run-down of the year.
Proud to see you fight back each time...Job Well Done!


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Re: Second Chance [Re: Ernie] #176977 01/02/2017 6:07 PM
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It is good to see you back on this site. I hope this year is much better for you than last year was.


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Re: Second Chance [Re: REDHAWK1954] #176978 01/02/2017 6:26 PM
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Congratulations Doc!

I predict that with your improving health, the WV game populations will feel the brunt this year!

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Well done. Sounds like a good season.


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Re: Second Chance [Re: Zee] #176980 01/02/2017 8:52 PM
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Hat`s off to a GREAT season.......no country for old men indeed....Do you have any idea how many handgun hunters, besides you, that have taken the African Big Five????
PS thanks for doing the post...I was getting worried


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Re: Second Chance [Re: jamesfromjersey] #176981 01/02/2017 9:08 PM
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Doc thanks for updating us on your season. So sorry about all of your health issues. You truly are one tough dude! Another truly amazing season for you. Congratulations to a genuine handgunning legend.


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Re: Second Chance [Re: wvhitman] #176982 01/02/2017 9:20 PM
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You da MAN, Doc. I pity the critters ;-)


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Many people in your situation would have simply curled up at home and never taken another risk or pushed themselves. You, on the other hand refused to let adversity beat you. You're an inspiration to all of us.

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Thanks, guys. Don't get old. It really sucks. Can't do 75% of what I did 40 years ago.

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Sorry to hear about your health issues. You're one strong guy to push through all that and keep doing what you love.


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Re: Second Chance [Re: wvhitman] #177052 01/03/2017 9:30 PM
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 Originally Posted By: wvhitman
Thanks, guys. Don't get old. It really sucks. Can't do 75% of what I did 40 years ago.


Getting older is something we have no control over .Quitting or giving up we can control. You did neither,instead with the help of friends and an iron will you got on with life. Hang in there Doc, you still have miles to go and powder to burn!


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Re: Second Chance [Re: wvhitman] #177070 01/04/2017 1:57 AM
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Great season with the short gun, Doc! Your GA friend told me about some of your setbacks; he's a pretty good felllow. You have surely been blessed! I was disappointed about not being able to read your articles in the Sixgunner anymore, but reading it here is just as good. Thanks for taking the time to fill us in.


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If the WV deer were as tough as Doc, it would take a .460 to kill one.

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What a comeback year! I dont say it often doc, but you are one tough sob! Its very motivating reading your account of this year. Thanks and two thumbs up my friend

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Good on you!

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Re: Second Chance [Re: s4s4u] #177126 01/06/2017 2:47 AM
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Mano man doc I have followed your adventures in the Sixgunner for many many years. In fact you were my major influence to get into handgun hunting. Moving a little slow,just is another asset for getting close to game in your case within 500 yards !!!!!!

So you use a tremendous amount of different handguns.

I have an excellent 240 Raptor in a XP100 heavy barrle and it is without a doubt the most accurate handgun I own. How do the big bores in the XP compare?


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Hi Larry,
I didn't know about your health issues. I'm glad you're back on the mend. Obviously, you've had a great hunting year! All the best,
Ken

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Ramjet, I love my big bore XPs.
A .375/.284 has taken deer and groundhogs out to 350. Brained a hippo at 129 with a Nosler 260 solid, one shot eland, one shot leopard. Get the picture-super accurate with a Burris 3-12 BPlex. Anything inside of 350 is toast.
Had a .325 WSM for just a few years. It's just as accurate and deadly as the .375. Croc with 185TSX, WV bear at 289 yds (pretty sure its the longest shot on a bear in WV by a handgunner and maybe a rifle), groundhogs and deer out to 350. BPlex again.
Both these guns could probably do game out to 500, but the BPlex scopes run out of Plexes at 350. Both these and my 6.5/.284 are SSK creations and all 3 are wickedly accurate.
I miss writing for the Sixgunner. Got all that deer data (autopsies, bullet performace) just sitting. Guess when I get used to retired life and stop hunting so much (going again next week) I'll have to consider a book. Need to think of a good title!!
Thanks everybody else.

Re: Second Chance [Re: wvhitman] #177134 01/06/2017 5:23 PM
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Definitely Doc..We would love a book from you!


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 Originally Posted By: Franchise
Definitely Doc..We would love a book from you!


No doubt!!!


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I would love to have that book in my collection that includes books by Mark and Max.


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Re: Second Chance [Re: REDHAWK1954] #177164 01/07/2017 2:39 AM
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Are you kidding Doc please do the book the information you provide not only is outstanding for great reading but saves us lazy guys allot of research. The real life details and evaluation, experience of what works and what does not is a good resource for us handgun hunters. I think it's time to seek out another XP100 and maybe have it chambered for 338 Federal with a bull barrel and brake.

WRITE THE BOOK DOC !!!!!!!!

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When the .338 Federal came out JD told me it's the ballistic twin of the 338 JDJ. I have one of those. Killed 222 groundhogs and about 50 deer with it, plus an elk at 352. I think that's all the info I need. Good round, but it ain't no .325WSM or .375/.284. My .338 Mag JDJ way out performs it.
Can't justify another XP. Groundhogs are about gone in WV- me+ coyotes and deer permits are a little restricted- less deer in WV and big social/political problems in the family where I normally get 100 permits/year. Only got 50 last year.

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Please sign me up for an autographed copy of "The Hitman's complete guide to Handgun Hunting". It will be the most real world, data filled book ever written on the subject.
I have been reading Doc's success stories in The Sixgunner for 37 years. He has indeed "been there and done that"!


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Doc, as probably one of the most accomplished handgun hunters we will ever have the privilege of knowing, you owe it to yourself and the handgun hunting world to share your knowledge, we would love a book!

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What he said!


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Glad you are back. Here is to many more successful seasons!

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"I`am back in the saddle again"..............................


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Great story of persistence and skill! Thank you!

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Hey Larry,

I'm glad you're back in form and still around to share your stories. Well done - I hope 2017 will be a banner year for ya!

Gary


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thanks for sharing. keep the rest of us from whining so much. write that book, don't let those stories fade away.


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