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Learn me on .50cal handguns. #181296 06/07/2017 3:43 PM
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With the acquisition of a .475cal revolver, I have now neared the end of my handgun journey.

What I lack is a .50cal (not BMG) handgun of some flavor. And.......I want one.

So, learn me as to their strengths, weakness, options, and attributes.

I don't "NEED" one. I will never go to Africa. I will likely never hunt legit dangerous game requiring such a gun. I just simply want one.

Custom, is not an option. I just choose not to spend more than 1k-ish for another handgun. Done it twice. Got it out of my system. And the slush fund isn't what it once was.

So, as I see it, my available options are .50 AE / .500 JRH / .500 S&W.

Platforms in that price range seem to be the BFR / S&W / Encore.

Teach me, oh wise Enablers!


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Re: Learn me on .50cal handguns. [Re: Zee] #181297 06/07/2017 4:16 PM
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I'm not so wise, but I have been accused of enabling!


In my humble opinion, the .500 JRH is the most logical and practical of the various .50 cals. It fits in a "normal" sized gun, offers all the terminal performance one could want, and has a wide selection of bullet availability. Also, you can produce brass from .500 S&W brass with ease.

That said, I do like the .500 Linebaugh and the .500 Maximum a whole lot as well. I wouldn't waste my time with a .50 AE, but that's just me.

The best platform -- aside from a full-blown (read: expensive) custim, in my humble opinion, is the BFR. It is available in .500 JRH and they are accurate to a fault, typically, and reasonably priced.


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Re: Learn me on .50cal handguns. [Re: Whitworth] #181298 06/07/2017 5:02 PM
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Great minds think alike. Or at least, disturbed ones.

I was kinda leaning that way as well. But, wanted the voice of reason. Or experience.


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Re: Learn me on .50cal handguns. [Re: Zee] #181302 06/08/2017 4:46 AM
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Id agree with the 50jrh. I have that and the smith and had a 500 linebaugh. The 500l is a very limited gun imho and expensive to get brass and buy bullets for. The smith is large and to take advantage of the extra case capacity you need at least the 8 3/8" barrell imho. With my 6.5" smith 500 i cannot really beat a jrh in velocity out of my sons bfr 7.5" barrel but the bfr has better tolerances as well and my bfr 460 7.5" barrel beats my smith 460 8 3/8" barrel by almost 100 fps. So that have something to do with it. The bfr is a little cheaper. Also the brass can be made from cut down 500 smith brass which no other 50 cal can claim and the bullet selection is by far better and the same as the smith but unlike the other single action platforms you have a slightly bigger cylinder and can use the big bullets. Thats what id do, in fact im gonna do it soon

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Practical, the right size, long cylinder, tough, and very accurate. Also, pretty much readily available. No doubt in my mind 500 JRH BFR!

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 Originally Posted By: dhom
Practical, the right size, long cylinder, tough, and very accurate. Also, pretty much readily available. No doubt in my mind 500 JRH BFR!


Yup!


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I owned a Freedom Arms Model 83 in .500 Wyoming Express. It was a real beaut; and for sure the recoil got your attention!
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I killed a doe antelope and also a muley buck with it; I finally sold it to one of my hunters so I could get some cash flow to have Rod build me my .475 Linebaugh custom.
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But alas! This gun breaks the One K limit by two times!







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I killed this water buffalo with a .500 JRH. As I said before, it isn't lacking even remotely in terminal effectiveness!



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Re: Learn me on .50cal handguns. [Re: Whitworth] #181315 06/08/2017 6:27 PM
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I acquired my 454 BFR last spring, then Santa delivered Max?s latest book for Christmas. That was the seed for the following. I wanted a BFR 475 Linebaugh, I called BFR to ask the process to order one as it was listed as a custom offering. I learned from that call that BFR was moving the 475-LB & 500-JRH from custom to production. I was able to locate both within weeks apart. The triplets [454\475\500] are a dream to shoot and accuracy is top notch if I do my part. I started wearing glasses at the age of 8 so? with age I have scoped all three of them with Burris 2x7x32.
The 500 JRH ? I use Starline 500 S&W brass and cut it down, RCBS dies are listed as (500 S&W M \ Short) they work just fine for the JRH. My pet load that I plan to hunt with (deer) is A#9 Swift 325 AF\HP @ 1535fs.



You mentioned the Encore platform so I will add in this 50 caliber. The 50 B&M Alaskan, which is the standard 50 Alaskan necked down to .500 taking advantage of the many .500 caliber bullets Vs the original .510. Pictured below ? SSK 14? full bull barrel 1-12? twist - Tsob with a 60 caliber fishgill brake. I use Starline 50 AK brass and a simple trip tough the B&M die has them sized and ready to shoot. This will equal and exceed the 500 S&W with less pressure.
Ballistics to date for this canon:
Hornady 300 FTX ? 2300fs
Barnes 325 XPB ? 2240fs
Swift 325 AF/HP ? 2192fs
Hornady 350 XTP ? 2190fs
Hornady 500 FP ? 1800fs (This is a handful & max load!)



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Re: Learn me on .50cal handguns. [Re: Buck_358] #181320 06/08/2017 11:05 PM
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Thanks, guys.

If I went with an Encore barrel from MGM, it would be in .500 S&W.

That would be the most cost effective route to go. A barrel is cheaper than a gun.

If I can save my pennies, I'd rather go with the shorter barreled (5.5in.?) BFR in .500 JRH.

Do they come with scope base? Or, is that ordered separately?

Either way, it will likely be closer to fall or the end of the year.


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Re: Learn me on .50cal handguns. [Re: Zee] #181321 06/08/2017 11:18 PM
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Zee, it comes with the scope base.


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Re: Learn me on .50cal handguns. [Re: Whitworth] #181322 06/09/2017 12:24 AM
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Perfect! I have a 2x Burris scope that needs a home.


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Re: Learn me on .50cal handguns. [Re: Zee] #181323 06/09/2017 12:25 AM
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One penny, two pennies, three pennies, four pennies,??


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Dang it, now you guys are making me want a 50 cal something or other.


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I just went with through the same thing, I ended up getting a S&W 500 just for the ease of getting brass and ammo.

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I have to say if you want a 500, go with the Magnum!

$1000 bucks--your're there

Good looks--got it. (well maybe?) haha

Packability--somewhat. lol

Accurate--Very!!..unless you got both eyes shut and your head out of the way.(which isn't a bad idea!!). lol

Loud--DEAFinitely

Impressive to shoot--seriously??

Power--Penty!!
It's a little ridiculous actually..hahaha

She shoots a 300gr ftx at over 1900fps and a 440wfn at 1480, with a 3" inch tube!! If you run Berry's 350's you can even afford to shoot it. If you go with the 8 3/8" barrel she'll push the 450cast to over 1800fps!

When the 50 bug bites, I don't know if going with the "special" really quenches that thirst!...with wood grips this beast sure will!! hahaha


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At that point, I should just go all out.





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500JRH was my choice, and I don't regret it one bit. With that, and a 45 Colt, what more does a man need???!!!


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 Originally Posted By: freedom475


I have to say if you want a 500, go with the Magnum!

$1000 bucks--your're there

Good looks--got it. (well maybe?) haha


Packability--somewhat. lol

Accurate--Very!!..unless you got both eyes shut and your head out of the way.(which isn't a bad idea!!). lol

Loud--DEAFinitely

Impressive to shoot--seriously??

Power--Penty!!
It's a little ridiculous actually..hahaha

She shoots a 300gr ftx at over 1900fps and a 440wfn at 1480, with a 3" inch tube!! If you run Berry's 350's you can even afford to shoot it. If you go with the 8 3/8" barrel she'll push the 450cast to over 1800fps!

When the 50 bug bites, I don't know if going with the "special" really quenches that thirst!...with wood grips this beast sure will!! hahaha


.50 Special? At 50,000 psi, there is nothing subdued about the .500 JRH. The .500 Smith was an answer to a question nobody asked. Too much blast, noise, and heft, for little gain over the shorter .50 Caliber cartridges. That is why I am not a fan, and frankly I prefer single-actions to double-actions, and the 1.6-inch .500 S&W doesn't fit in a normal-sized SA frame, and if you have to go with the Maximum frame, might as well chamber it in the .500 Smith & Wesson's daddy, the .500 Maximum. No Wes, you can keep that snub-nosed X-frame!


And the BFR can be had for about the same price-point.


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Just for inspiration:

.500 JRH BFR (my first one):



My latest .500 JRH BFR:




One of my custom .500 JRHs -- compact, lightweight, packable, and a lot easier to look at then an X-frame.




And if you absolutely gotta go with the longer case, there is no substitute for this, the .500 Maximum. Hit's like the hammer of Thor - on both ends.



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Re: Learn me on .50cal handguns. [Re: Whitworth] #181342 06/09/2017 5:38 PM
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Something just came up.


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I wrestled with this for about five minutes. I went with the JRH because the WE has that goofy and unnecessary belt, the Linebaugh is much more difficult to feed and the S&W is about as handy as a mountain howitzer. An X-frame in a belt holster is about like John Holmes in a speedo.
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Haha,,I'm laughing so hard I can barely type!! Hellboy is actually stamped on the back of that holster!..lol Since the pictures she has been up-graded? to the round butt Badger grip, and she really kicks your ass now!!

I'll take it Craig, you caught me doing well...so I'll just go ahead and send you the $1000 bucks to the address I have on file for you, And please don't delay and getting that fine JRH headed my way. I' be sure to post a few pics of me marking up some steel plates and flesh with her, as I have time!!.

Max, Craig, those are awesome guns!!..But I doubt if any of them can be had for less than the S&W??.. And yes, you folks that know me know that I'm a single action guy...Especially if I want to hit anything!

But you have to admit that the little HellBoy is quite impressive and it really fits the bill for pack-able power..Overkill for sure! If there was such a thing!!! LOL and it doesn't cost much... until you feed her!! LOL


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All depends on what you want and what you'll use it on. If you decide on a single shot, there is NO load made or can be loaded for the JRH that can push a 400 gr bullet to 1,900 fps like I can in my 12" 500 S&W SSK Encore Barrel. Just depends on what platform you want to use.


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Recoil is a NON issue with the arresstor brake on my barrel....like shooting a heavily loaded 44 Mag.....literally a cap gun


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 Originally Posted By: Franchise
All depends on what you want and what you'll use it on. If you decide on a single shot, there is NO load made or can be loaded for the JRH that can push a 400 gr bullet to 1,900 fps like I can in my 12" 500 S&W SSK Encore Barrel. Just depends on what platform you want to use.


David, my buddy (who shall remain nameless) got 1,650 out of a 440 grain bullet and a 6 1/2-inch barrel -- with a barrel gap, and it fits on your belt. For a revolver, a packable, useable revolver, the .500 S&W isn't a great option in my humble opinion. When I determine I need more velocity, I'll move up to a rifle. The whole premise behind "handgun" hunting -- at least for me -- is working within the design parameters (actually limitations). I accept the fact that I will not be able to achieve rifle-like velocities with my chosen tool, and attempts to do that compromise its effectiveness. With that, I have bullet diameter and bullet weight. If my penetration is adequate, the only issue is placement.....

Again, JMHO.

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Wes, I'll drop it off at UPS first thing in the morning. Promise.
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Re: Learn me on .50cal handguns. [Re: Craig44] #181486 06/18/2017 6:11 PM
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Craig, im always stunned how beautiful that revolver is

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I don't know Zee personally, but he may be a man like myself that likes to push limitations. Thank god as handgun hunters that we decided to push limitations. If we hadn't done that we'd never have the 454 Casull or any other the other high performance handgun hunting rounds. It's all about preference, and if Zee likes single shots....why not shoot a 500 S&W....or better yet, a 50 B&M Alaskan???


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An Encore barrel would assuredly be the more economical route to take. Less than half the price of a BFR.

If I was just looking for performance and not aesthetics with performance, I'd be all in for the Encore. And I'm not saying I ain't. But, while I have several Encore barrels, they are tools without much love. Albeit, very effective tools.

I may yet go the Encore .500 S&W route. But, it would be a 9" + Baffle Brake.

I wouldn't have to trim cases. Load data is readily available. My 2x Burris scope would easily mount............

I'll have a better idea after I get my .480 Ruger SBH. That might scratch my big bore revolver itch and I can go with the Encore barrel in S&W. Like you said, let it be what the case will let it be.

I don't know........


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Well, I just did the math. To build an Encore barrel the way I would want it would cost about $550 when all was said and done.

So, not quite the less than half I had originally thought. But still, about half the price of a BFR.


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There ya go...Get the 50 and still have money to go for the next itch that needs scratching.


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The cost of a barrel is cheap vs a whole gun. A fifty has really good potential as a big dangerous game backup and for that id want a few more shots but id bet u could run that encore at a higher velocity outta that 12" barrel. Double tap lists loads out of a smith for 400gr at over 1800 fps. I bet u should be able to run over 2000 outta that barrel?!?! Id love to see what u could do

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No dangerous game in my parts, so it's more about the want than a need.

I just like guns. I like cartridges. I like collecting and playing with both. Whether the target or game require it is trivial to the joy of having and shooting as many different gun/carrridge combinations as possible.

Which is the allure of the BFR.

I have Encores. I've never owned a BFR.


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What 480 are u getting

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Ruger.



She is in Purgatory (Layaway).


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Oh cool! My son has that gun. He likes it alot

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Zee, I think you should go with the BFR and if it turns out you don't like it I will give you $550.00 for it and you can get the encore barrel. PROBLEM SOLVED. LOL

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Get the BFR, Zee. You won't regret it. They are so accurate out of the box that they are a joy to work with.


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Why stop at 50 cal? Y'all know there's a .620 JDJ, right?





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