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Little Guy came to Play with the BIG BORES #183627 09/20/2017 4:07 AM
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I find myself always cheering for the underdog in the fight and this years JRH Bovine Bash was just that for me. In the red corner, the baddest of the bad, showing up from .44 cal all the way to the top in .50 cal. The red corner packed with the Big Boys, the heaviest of hitters. Believe me, for this novice of 5yrs of handgun hunting it is always a sight to see. Now in the blue corner, the lightweight, a Ruger .357 Mag GP100. It was a test of David vs Goliath. Can this meager, in comparison, revolver really show up and dance with the Heavy hitters. Thats what I was there to find out and impressed is all I can utter. The .357 Mag did an amazing job and its gloves, 180 gr. Swift A-frames from Federal, did not disappoint.

IMG_0736 by Michael King, on Flickr

IMG_0737 by Michael King, on Flickr

The first test this setup was going to face was a lightweight of its own. We called this Catalina goat, "Wildagoat". This was the first time for me testing the 180 gr A-frame from Federal Ammunition and was not sure as to what I should expect. The goat was probably 30 yards away and broadside. I let her fly and she found her mark right behind the left shoulder. The goat tried to run but fell within 15 yards. One shot and it was over. I was able to recover the bullet extremely easy as it was sitting directly across the body cavity of the entrance just on the offside hide. Any fear that might have been about the ammunition were starting to fade away, but the true test was still to come.

Up next was a true test for my setup, a 1200lb+ Watusi. I was hunting with the other Mike in camp on his hunt. He was using a BFR 45-70. When we came upon the herd out in the open fields. He placed his shots into the Watusi and when we approached she was standing broadside. At this point, I had asked Mike if it was ok if I tested my setup to see how the .357 Mag would do. He gave the green light. I placed my shot behind the left front shoulder and let her fly. What happened next was impressive. The bullet found its mark and immediately blood started spraying from one of the 45-70 holes in the shoulder. She spun around in a circle once and collapsed. She was done but didn't want to give up the ghost, so the final KO was a 180 gr A-frame right between the eyes. Lights out.

At this point, I am proud of my underdog. It came to play and did so very well. The fun was just beginning. It was the finding of the bullets that has me in utter shock. While one can say that finding the bullet on the goat is to be expected, where are the bullets going to be found on this type and size of animal. Zee and I had a great talk about the possibilites of this setup and where we would find the bullets on the way back to the skinning shed. Talks that we would both learn soon enough, would leave us in disbelief.

IMG_0734 by Michael King, on Flickr

IMG_0735 by Michael King, on Flickr

Here are the recovered bullets from the animals. From Left to right: Watusi Head Shot, Watusi Broadside, Wildagoat Broadside.


As you can see the bullets held together and performed as advertised. The wildagoat bullet expanded well for hitting light skinned animal. The shock came from where we found the bullets in the Watusi. The broadside Watusi bullet was found in the offside shoulder right before the hide. This shocked both ZEE and myself because we were looking in the heart and lungs thinking that the bullet with good expansion did not have quite enough to make it through the body cavity. The head shot was also surprising. It was found 6" into the spine. The penetration from this setup was beautiful.

The .357 Mag with the 180 gr A-frame is a setup that I have removed all doubt. I personally have found that this setup is one that I would use without hesitation on game up to and including ELK/Moose, black bear, & mountain lion.

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Re: Little Guy came to Play with the BIG BORES [Re: Kinger] #183628 09/20/2017 4:20 AM
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Great write up!

Re: Little Guy came to Play with the BIG BORES [Re: Kinger] #183629 09/20/2017 4:24 AM
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A long tip of the hat Mike.....


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Re: Little Guy came to Play with the BIG BORES [Re: Kinger] #183630 09/20/2017 4:24 AM
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WOW! I have always liked the A-frame bullet, and I am a fan of the .357.....mmmmm! Got me thinking!!

Re: Little Guy came to Play with the BIG BORES [Re: rougerocco] #183632 09/20/2017 5:16 AM
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I also have a 6" GP100 that is my ICORE Match Revolver.
A chance to Pin Shoot on another range has came up.
I loaded up some of my NOE 360-180 Hunting Bullets for the 357 Maximum in 38 Special cases to shoot pins with. Note 38 Special and 9mm are in the same division. Mid Table Pin Set. The reason to hotrod the 38 Special.

I loaded them with 6.0 Power Pistol. Possibly a hair past 38 Speial loading data. The bullets were seated in the upper crimp groove.

I did a sight check with them. My GP100 loves this load. It drives tacks with it. My ICORE load at the moment is 4.7 grains of 20/28, an identical load to 5.0 Unique driving a Missouri Bullet Company 158 round nose or Round Nose Flat Point. The 180 load at 15 yards shot to point of aim. No change required. This load shot the best group of any load I have shot in the GP100 to date.

This got me to thinking about winding the NOE 360-180 on up in some 357 Magnum cases, and see what they will do.

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Re: Little Guy came to Play with the BIG BORES [Re: Bob Roach] #183637 09/20/2017 10:09 AM
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nicely done:)


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Re: Little Guy came to Play with the BIG BORES [Re: bluecow] #183642 09/20/2017 12:52 PM
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Excellent writeup. Good photos helped. Glad this worked for you.

Re: Little Guy came to Play with the BIG BORES [Re: cherokeetracker] #183644 09/20/2017 1:25 PM
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Nicely done, Michael, but I would expect no less from you!


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Re: Little Guy came to Play with the BIG BORES [Re: Whitworth] #183645 09/20/2017 1:36 PM
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Congratulations! Your 357 and A Frames are a deadly combination. Very Nicely Done


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Good stuff! Very impressed with the A-frame all the way around. I may try to blood my GP this season.


Re: Little Guy came to Play with the BIG BORES [Re: Kinger] #183655 09/20/2017 7:47 PM
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Nice...Very-very nice all the way around.
Makes me smile and I am sure Skeeter is too.
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Re: Little Guy came to Play with the BIG BORES [Re: AK hgunner1] #183657 09/20/2017 8:11 PM
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Thank you gentlemen, you sure know how to make a guy feel welcomed. Whit and James, I had fun writing this. You two are great writers and really keep the bar set high for the newbies like myself.

Re: Little Guy came to Play with the BIG BORES [Re: Kinger] #183658 09/20/2017 8:16 PM
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I can also tell you that the decision to test the 357 Mag and ammo was not on impulse. Tradmark and I have spent countless hours discussing this setup. I truly could not have gone into this with the confidence that I did had it not been for him and his excellent teaching skills. Tradmark was the one who brought me under his wing. He started me out on the SRH 454 casull with light loads and snap-cap practice to make me the handgun hunter that I am now. With his help, I have a true passion for trying to grow the sport of handgun hunting industry into my generation and younger.

Re: Little Guy came to Play with the BIG BORES [Re: Kinger] #183659 09/20/2017 8:18 PM
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I will be posting some more stuff on the bullets this weekend when I get a chance to see just how fast they a moving out of my gun. I will also be posting the expansion and weight retention numbers as well.

Re: Little Guy came to Play with the BIG BORES [Re: Kinger] #183660 09/20/2017 9:30 PM
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Here is the famous "Wildegoat"!





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 Originally Posted By: Kinger
I can also tell you that the decision to test the 357 Mag and ammo was not on impulse. Tradmark and I have spent countless hours discussing this setup. I truly could not have gone into this with the confidence that I did had it not been for him and his excellent teaching skills. Tradmark was the one who brought me under his wing. He started me out on the SRH 454 casull with light loads and snap-cap practice to make me the handgun hunter that I am now. With his help, I have a true passion for trying to grow the sport of handgun hunting industry into my generation and younger.
Confidence, is what it is all about, great job!

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Wow, very impressive. I bought a case of Federal 357's with the 180 grain cast core bullets. My 4" GP100 loves them. Once I finish them I think I will be loading up some A-Frames.

I'm going to get some soon for my 9" 357 Encore to try on whitetail this year.

Re: Little Guy came to Play with the BIG BORES [Re: ruger4570] #183668 09/21/2017 1:09 AM
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I have been very impressed with all the results I've seen from the .357 Mag. Both on the range and in the field.

It has assuredly gained a place in my heart.


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Yeah. All the discussion about it being marginal for deer and elk are just silly to me at this point. That load barely scratches the surface of what a 357 mag is capable of!

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Kinger,
Thank you for the post and pics.
I have not used the 180 Swift, but the 158 Swift has done well for me.


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