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Jim Cirillo #190166 03/06/2018 4:51 AM
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Has anyone read his book?? He was with the NYPD stakeout squad back in the 70`s.... When I would visit my old gunsmith Austin Behlert he would tell me of the high performance handguns he was working on for him... Chapter two "Hybrid Weapons" was an eye opener... He advocated the hunting of deer with a handgun to fellow officers to get them familiar with "live" targets... One of those "up close and personal" cops... Designed a bullet with jagged edge to the hollow point so it would penetrate the skull on those frequent 7 yard shootouts.... Anyway, its a good read for only 119 pages...


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I'll put it on the list! Thanks!!


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Excellent read. I enjoyed it very much

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I read it. Good book. Interestingly, the guy that owned Northern Precision in NJ (out of business) made a bunch of those "jagged edge" bullets in .44 and sent me 50. They were totally awesome on groundhogs with the exit being the entire offside of the shot.
A different story on deer. I think I took 3. They were so fragile that penetration was poor. One shoulder shot one ran a good ways and needed a finisher. Two behind the shoulder shots made it 30 or so yds. and had massive bleeding in the lungs.
I still have some of these. They are only carried socially.

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Jim Cirillo was the epitome of the modern-day gunfighter. His books are excellent reads.
Incidentally, the folks at Dan Wesson sought his input when they were developing their large frame M 40 revolver, first introduced as a .44 Mag.

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Yes I read and own one of his books. He was the real deal. He also used super Vel ammo on occasions. Even in some competitions, he shot double action just because he could. My humble opinion is that he was as head of his time sand proved that he thought outside the box. Excellent thinking to load ammo to gun or to suit situation.

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James what is the name of his book?


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Bill Allard picked Jim for the stakeout squad. Bill was involved in the most gunfights in NYPD history and is said to have never missed in a gun fight. I have a friend that was taught to shoot hand Guns by Bill Allard.

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 Originally Posted By: REDHAWK1954
James what is the name of his book?


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I never expected this much input on Jim Cirillo... Its great you guys proved me wrong...from your reply`s I found out things about him I did not know...Thank`s.....


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Re: Jim Cirillo [Re: jamesfromjersey] #190203 03/07/2018 9:14 PM
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jwp, are there any articles or books on Bill Allard?

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Another excellent Cirillo book, actually authored by Paul Kirchner, is "Jim Cirillo's Tales of the Stakeout Squad". It contains so many direct quotes from Cirillo, it seems as if he wrote it. Published by Paladin Press.
Newt, this same book makes frequent reference to Bill Allard, and uses many of his direct quotes. He was Jim Cirillo's partner for many of their years together on the NYPD Stakeout Unit. He also won numerous shooting matches and championships, including the National Pistol Championship. He was also an avid hunter. I used to see frequent references to him, but can't cite any others offhand at the moment.

Re: Jim Cirillo [Re: 500WE] #190207 03/08/2018 12:24 AM
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Since we're talking about modern-day gunfighters, check out "Legendary Lawman. The Story of Quick Draw Jelly Bryce" by Owens. Another amazing hero.

Re: Jim Cirillo [Re: Newt] #190212 03/08/2018 2:43 AM
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 Originally Posted By: Newt
jwp, are there any articles or books on Bill Allard?


I'm not aware of any book on Bill Allard. Here is a tid bit from a magazine article.


Patrolman Bill Allard (ret.),
NYPD SOU, ESU Favored weapon: Colt 1911 .45
NY City Patrolman Bill Allard has been in more gunfights than any other policeman in NYPD history. He was one of the initial members of the NY SOU (Stake-Out Unit) in 1968 and left when the SOU was disbanded in 1973. After leaving the SOU, he continued working the streets of New York in ESU (Emergency Services Unit), Detective Investigations and Patrol, retiring in 1981. He still lives in NY and carries a handgun daily, usually a Kimber 1911 .45. Now 75, he?s finally enjoying retirement after a second career working as a firearms consultant and instructor.
Before, during and after his career as a cop, Bill was a fierce competitor in bull?s-eye. In 1982 he won the national civilian championship at Camp Perry, shooting the .22 and .45. Bill is adamant you must look at your front sight in a gunfight; his years of intensive bull?s-eye practice made focusing on the front sight part of his muscle memory, even under the stress of a shooting. The basics of bull?s-eye (intense focus on the front sight and absolute trigger control) were in his training regimen and carried over into deadly encounters. As the firearms instructor for the SOU, Bill mandated high marksmanship standards for anyone selected, and conducted frequent live-fire drills for the squad. He personally tested and chronographed the loads used by SOU for accuracy, velocity and terminal performance.
Bill has used shotguns, .38 Special revolvers and a Colt .45 auto against armed suspects. The NYPD issued Ithaca 37 12-gauge short-barreled shotguns and buckshot to the SOW. The primary handgun was the S&W 4″ .38, loaded with the (then) NYPD duty load of a 158-grain SWC lead bullet. Bill also carried his personal National Match Colt 1911 .45 with hollowpoints as a backup gun. Because of the nature of the threat and the danger faced by the stakeout squad, members were given a wide latitude in weapons used. Bill had his heavy-barreled 4″ S&W .38 as his primary and carried his .45 in the backup mode, which was specially authorized by the NYPD. Other SOU members carried Browning Hi Powers and additional 2″ and 4″ .38s during stakeouts.
In discussing guns and gunfight survival, Allard advocates the 1911 loaded with a good hollowpoint round. ?In those days (late ?60s, early ?70s), there weren?t many good hollowpoints available. The guys with the Browning Hi Powers used roundnosed ball, which didn?t work too well performance-wise. I had Norma hollowpoints in my .45 ? much better than ball. The .45 hollowpoints didn?t exit the body.? Bill emphasizes sighted fire, 1911s, hollowpoints and lots of competitive practice to give the policeman or citizen the upper hand in a lethal engagement.
During the 5 years the NYPD SOU was active, SOU never lost an officer or a gunfight in dozens of armed confrontations.?

https://gunsmagazine.com/gunfighters-i-have-known/


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Here is a conversation with Bill Allard start at 20 minutes and 45 seconds.

http://www.podcasts.com/the_proarms_podc...ith_bill_allard

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I have both books. They are good reads.


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