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Re: What if?? [Re: Subsciber] #197496 01/30/2019 8:11 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Subsciber
Well in all honesty I'm recalling a brief conversation from 30yrs ago, but I remember it pretty clearly. Really don't want to seem argumentative but most responses kind confirm my point in that nobody wants to be in a confined area with spray even a bear. I know you have written several books so you have concrete opinions on some matters but I believe I've shot as many bears in a tent in the middle of the night as you have. I pretty much know I can survive exposure to bear spray but a mauling not so much. In my second response I stated UNLESS the CNS was hit the outcome might not be so assured but believe based on documented accounts that spray would work better. There is a reason they call it repellent.


I'm not trying to be argumentative either. Please don't read it as such. Shooting a bear in the middle of the night in a tent is an experience I am pretty much sure I can live without, as I think is the case with most of us. That said, at point blank range I like my chances better with a properly loaded revolver than something that will probably incapacitate me before the bear even takes notice. If it was designed to incapacitate a bear, I think it will probably be exponentially overwhelming to a man in an enclosed area. But that is also an experience I am willing to forego.

I do have concrete opinions but they are born of lots of testing and experimentation on flesh. I have asked questions and then sought answers through blood letting. I take none of this lightly.


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Re: What if?? [Re: Whitworth] #197500 01/30/2019 9:00 PM
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Discharging bear spray, at a bear, inside your tent has a chance of working and repelling the bear. However, it is GUARANTEED to incapacitate the person who sprayed it, regardless of how the bear reacts. Now you're inside a tent, with an angry bear, in the middle of Alaska and you're incapacitated. I wouldn't get drunk in camp in Alaska, let alone spray myself with bear spray. No, I'm taking my chances with lead. In fact, I find it absurd to even consider anything else.

Re: What if?? [Re: PsTaN] #197613 02/05/2019 12:04 PM
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 Originally Posted By: PsTaN
Flashlight would be in my right hand ... Smith 69 in the left ... lefties just gotta screw things up!!



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If I were in bear country I?d be a 480srh. Most of the time I camp I?ve got a G20 (because I can drive tent stakes with it and not worry) and I?m more in swine country that big bears

Re: What if?? [Re: Buzztail] #197644 02/07/2019 10:28 PM
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Black bear S&W 44 mag - Brown bear SRH 480

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In all honesty it would be my 4 5/8 .45 Colt,no matter what else I was hunting with. When in the woods after pants it is the first thing on, last off at end of day.It is a TRUSTED FRIEND and is always close at hand.

Not to hijack the thread but assuming we had some wits about us where do you put the first round? In the end of the nose hoping it would follow the nasal passage to the brain, open mouth trying to break the spine.Center of chest,chose wrong and you are going to have a tent full of very pissed off bear in a hurry.


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Re: What if?? [Re: junebug] #197648 02/08/2019 12:25 PM
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JUNEBUG: MY PLAN IN ALSAKA, IF I HAVE TO SHOOT A BEAR UP CLOSE WITH MY PERSONAL PROTECTION REVOLVER, IS TO SHOOT FOR THE HEAD AND HOPE I BRAIN'EM, OR GET SOME KO FROM A CLOSE TO THE BRAIN SHOT.


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Re: What if?? [Re: jamesfromjersey] #197669 02/09/2019 8:37 PM
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If this was you holding the flashlight in your left hand... what handgun would you aiming in your right???

THIS (Video Link)

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Hi Brasfo311. That's very much the sort of rig I had in mind. It just makes sense Do you have a video of using the light and firing in dark conditions? Your original video was in 2016, how has the light and mount stood up to use over time?

Re: What if?? [Re: Walkingthemup] #197673 02/10/2019 1:50 AM
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What i was going by was James's picture and that angle. The head is raised too high for a brain shot to my way of thinking unless you go thru the center of the nose, or go thru the mouth to break the spine. I would dang sure shoot more than once, no matter what the outcome of the first shot.


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Re: What if?? [Re: jamesfromjersey] #197675 02/10/2019 3:39 AM
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Probably my Redhawk 44 Mag or perhaps my Super Blackhawk 44 Mag. Maybe a 460XVR since we are what iffing. Definitely lead based spraying - not bear spray.


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Re: What if?? [Re: Walkingthemup] #197677 02/10/2019 1:46 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Walkingthemup
Hi Brasfo311. That's very much the sort of rig I had in mind. It just makes sense Do you have a video of using the light and firing in dark conditions? Your original video was in 2016, how has the light and mount stood up to use over time?


Sorry, I don't have any recent videos, or any shooting in the dark, for the SRH, but I like the idea.

I rarely shoot it with the light on it, but the light and picitinny rail has held up very well.

I used it this year to take a couple dear.


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Looking at the magazine cover in the original post, my first thought was get a better flashlight. I don't think that 1.99 plastic beauty will make it through a bear attack.


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Re: What if?? [Re: Sawfish] #197713 02/12/2019 10:38 PM
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Sawfish - LOL. That flashlight on the cover was state of the art in 1983.


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Re: What if?? [Re: jamesfromjersey] #197740 02/14/2019 10:32 PM
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460 With skull busters.


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I was a handgun hunter, when handgun wasn't cool.....
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 Originally Posted By: reflex264


460 With skull busters.


That'll do it!

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460 With skull busters.


That'll do it!


Yep. Totaly controllable and every squeeze of the trigger is nearly 1100ftlbs. 12 shots. The comp keeps it from hair jamming.

Even with that it is hard to overwhelm a brown bear.

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"A quiet hit in the right place is better than a loud miss in the wrong place followed by 10 more shots on the run"

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While in bear camp I took a photo of the guides handguns. All were 44 mag and the only load that seemed interesting was the Speer 270gr JFP... The other three held 240gr JHP...They all carried rifles...


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Re: What if?? [Re: jamesfromjersey] #197750 02/15/2019 9:04 PM
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Hi Reflex. Pardon my ignorance, but what are "skull busters'?

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 Originally Posted By: Walkingthemup
Hi Reflex. Pardon my ignorance, but what are "skull busters'?
solid copper loaded by 460 Rowland Co. There is a video on youtube showing them being used on a bear skull. Someone gave them the nick name skull buster after that video came out.


"A quiet hit in the right place is better than a loud miss in the wrong place followed by 10 more shots on the run"

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Re: What if?? [Re: jamesfromjersey] #197802 02/20/2019 8:57 PM
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While in bear camp I took a photo of the guides handguns. All were 44 mag and the only load that seemed interesting was the Speer 270gr JFP... The other three held 240gr JHP...They all carried rifles...


Some years ago, when bear hunting was legal with dogs in California, I took an informal poll of the handguns used by the bear guides I ran across during one particular year. Every one of them carried a .44 Magnum revolver, and they all used 240 gr. JHP bullets. They also all carried rifles. The interesting part was that all of the rifles used were lever actions with 20% being 30/30 Winchester Model 94s and the rest were Savage 99s in .300 Savage.

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Re: What if?? [Re: Sawfish] #198026 03/11/2019 2:17 AM
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Ive been sprayed twice with pepper spray while a LEO. I lived for many years in bush Alaska, and Ive killed grizzly bear. I currently work summers in Montana riding horseback in the back country, and I wont let people around me or my horses with pepper spray. If you set off a can of that stuff inside of a tent without ventilation, it could very well kill you if you have any respiratory / heart issues. Human OC spray that incapacitated those 6 cops mentioned above is 5% pepper. Bear spray is 10%, and the canister holds a whole lot more. I now carry a full size 1911 .460 Rowland loaded with BB hardcast with a Surefire slung from the bottom to back up my Winchester 1886 saddle gun in .45/70. You cant shoot pepper spray into the wind, you can a gun. Pepper spray is mostly useless in a torrential downpour, a firearm isnt. You cant reload a can of pepper spray, you can your firearm. These are just my own observations from my own experiences. Yours may be different, and Im sure just as worthy of consideration


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 Originally Posted By: briarhopper
Ive been sprayed twice with pepper spray while a LEO. I lived for many years in bush Alaska, and Ive killed grizzly bear. I currently work summers in Montana riding horseback in the back country, and I wont let people around me or my horses with pepper spray. If you set off a can of that stuff inside of a tent without ventilation, it could very well kill you if you have any respiratory / heart issues. Human OC spray that incapacitated those 6 cops mentioned above is 5% pepper. Bear spray is 10%, and the canister holds a whole lot more. I now carry a full size 1911 .460 Rowland loaded with BB hardcast with a Surefire slung from the bottom to back up my Winchester 1886 saddle gun in .45/70. You cant shoot pepper spray into the wind, you can a gun. Pepper spray is mostly useless in a torrential downpour, a firearm isnt. You cant reload a can of pepper spray, you can your firearm. These are just my own observations from my own experiences. Yours may be different, and Im sure just as worthy of consideration


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Re: What if?? [Re: Whitworth] #198034 03/12/2019 2:42 AM
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I can echo the above. I havent used bear spray on a bear but i have worked patients that have been pepper sprayed. Some mild burning, some with acute respiratory distress. The time to find out you have a problem is in a tent miles from a road miles from a hospital. Ill take my ruger alaskan with full on night sights in 454 casull thank you very much.

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I would be holding my knife in my left hand cutting an exit door out the back while pushing my hunting partner with my right towards the bear.


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 Originally Posted By: briarhopper
Ive been sprayed twice with pepper spray while a LEO. I lived for many years in bush Alaska, and Ive killed grizzly bear. I currently work summers in Montana riding horseback in the back country, and I wont let people around me or my horses with pepper spray. If you set off a can of that stuff inside of a tent without ventilation, it could very well kill you if you have any respiratory / heart issues. Human OC spray that incapacitated those 6 cops mentioned above is 5% pepper. Bear spray is 10%, and the canister holds a whole lot more. I now carry a full size 1911 .460 Rowland loaded with BB hardcast with a Surefire slung from the bottom to back up my Winchester 1886 saddle gun in .45/70. You cant shoot pepper spray into the wind, you can a gun. Pepper spray is mostly useless in a torrential downpour, a firearm isnt. You cant reload a can of pepper spray, you can your firearm. These are just my own observations from my own experiences. Yours may be different, and Im sure just as worthy of consideration


BH, several years ago my kids and I picked some peppers from our garden. I cant remember what peppers they were but there were 3 different varieties. I set to making our own salsa with them, about 5 mins into cooking the oils from the peppers became vaporized. Ran all of us including the dog out of the house. Ive been pepper sprayed for work years ago and it wasn't even close to the vapors released in my kitchen that day. My daughter still talks about it to this day.


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 Originally Posted By: cfish2
I would be holding my knife in my left hand cutting an exit door out the back while pushing my hunting partner with my right towards the bear.

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I am sure most of you know the old joke that you do not need to be faster than the bear...Just faster than your hunting buddy. Ouch!


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Re: What if?? [Re: billa] #198252 03/25/2019 2:32 AM
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I'm late to the party here. Haven't been on the site in months. But I sold my custom revolvers a few years back to pay some unexpected bills. But if I'm ever in this situation, I hope it's after I have been able to replace the Ruger Super Blackhawk in 500JRH that I had.

Other than firepower, a large caliber gun also has the element of percussion / noise as a deterrent. Pffffft... from a can of spray won't wake a freakin baby. But If you don't think the noise from a 500JRH is significant enough to add at least some effect in this tent situation, you've obviously never experienced it.

I'm not saying the noise will be the most effective part, but it sure will be an added bonus.


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 Originally Posted By: Raptortrapper
I'm late to the party here. Haven't been on the site in months. But I sold my custom revolvers a few years back to pay some unexpected bills. But if I'm ever in this situation, I hope it's after I have been able to replace the Ruger Super Blackhawk in 500JRH that I had.


Great to see you posting again! I'd been worrying about you. Hate to read about you losing your revolvers, though.


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I'm late to the party here. Haven't been on the site in months. But I sold my custom revolvers a few years back to pay some unexpected bills. But if I'm ever in this situation, I hope it's after I have been able to replace the Ruger Super Blackhawk in 500JRH that I had.


Great to see you posting again! I'd been worrying about you. Hate to read about you losing your revolvers, though.


Thanks Chance. Well, life happens. Looks like I'll be replacing at least one of those revolvers this summer. Hopefully both by the end of the year.


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