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Ruger Bisley 44 Mag project help #199218 04/26/2019 12:06 PM
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I was able to acquire in a trade a Ruger Super Blackhawk 44 mag that had the barrel cut.


I haven't taken delivery of it yet but the seller sent all pictures I requested.

It looks like it was a 7.5 inch Bisley that was cut and re crowned. There is a little bit of damage on the ejector housing. That seems easy enough to swap for a new one.
http://imgur.com/a/tZ0H8n7

I wanted to swap out the front sight for a brass bead front sight and then swap out the grips naturally.

I was looking for feed back on the build and suggestions on the front sight.

I posted a link with al
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Re: Ruger Bisley 44 Mag project help [Re: dave19113] #199219 04/26/2019 1:31 PM
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This looks like a good project gun. I would try changing out the ejector rod housing first. A "dead man" can be placed inside the tube next to the screw placed on the inside closest to the frame and may be necessary to take the recoil impulse stress off the screw that holds the ejector rod tube in place. The screw can loosen with repeated shots and it is a common problem with heavy recoiling calibers.
Jack Huntington of JRH Advanced Gunsmithing has developed a technique to do so and can describe how you can approach it. I hope this unspoken concern can be a worthwhile starting point.

Re: Ruger Bisley 44 Mag project help [Re: Jeff460] #199221 04/26/2019 2:35 PM
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Thanks for the reply. I tried to do a google search on the "dead man" up grade for the ejector housing but could not find anything.

Is there a link that I could
read up on it.

Re: Ruger Bisley 44 Mag project help [Re: dave19113] #199224 04/26/2019 4:33 PM
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Call JRH Advanced Gunsmithing and Jack Huntington will tell you about it. I have spoken with him before and if he answers, you will have a nice conversation about it with him. A "deadman" is simply a post placed in line with and in front of any screw that could loosen from recoil impulse. The post soaks up the recoil and keeps the recoil from reaching the screw with the entire recoil force. Heavy recoiling revolvers like the 500 Maximum or 500 Smith and Wesson, for example, may need two or three "deadman" posts to mitigate the recoil forces and keep the screw from working loose. I hope you will access the information you need to proceed.
BFR uses an epoxy-resin to attach the ejector rod tube to their barrels. They also use a screw, as is the norm. I spoke to their Custom Shop and told them about the "deadman". The man had not heard of it either. But after a short discussion about the advantages of it, he said he would call Jack Huntington and find out how to do it.
I like the "dead man" method because it is a physical method solution and not a chemical method solution of an epoxy-resin application. A "barrel band" is also a method to trap the ejector rod tube from the front. Being sandwiched between the slot in the rear of the frame and the rear of the "barrel band" at the front of the barrel is both functional as well as aesthetic. But that usually involves a custom barrel to achieve. Hope my rambling does not put you off.

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Thanks for the clarification. I will reach out to JRH to see about the process.

You were definitely not rambling at all.

I appreciate all the info

Re: Ruger Bisley 44 Mag project help [Re: dave19113] #199226 04/26/2019 5:52 PM
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Thank You! It was entirely my pleasure sir. Good luck in bringing this baby back-to-life. It will be a great companion for you.

Re: Ruger Bisley 44 Mag project help [Re: Jeff460] #199242 04/27/2019 6:29 PM
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Wolf Spring set
Belt Mtn Base Pin
Power Custom Pawl


If it jams force it! If it breaks it needed replacing anyway.
Re: Ruger Bisley 44 Mag project help [Re: H2OBUG] #199247 04/28/2019 2:37 PM
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 Originally Posted By: H2OBUG
Wolf Spring set
Belt Mtn Base Pin
Power Custom Pawl



Much thanks. I put that stuff on the list for order

Re: Ruger Bisley 44 Mag project help [Re: dave19113] #199248 04/28/2019 2:43 PM
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http://parts.bowenclassicarms.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=14&products_id=56

I was looking at this as a front sight option. How does this bowen fare or is there better options?

Re: Ruger Bisley 44 Mag project help [Re: dave19113] #199263 04/29/2019 2:57 PM
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Bowen is an artist so go with his products. I highly endorse his work and his products.

Re: Ruger Bisley 44 Mag project help [Re: dave19113] #199264 04/29/2019 4:38 PM
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Hamilton Bowen is a top-of-the-line gunsmith and inventor. He wrote a book on it. Look it up as it is worth the read. His products are also top of the line. I have two of his style adjustable rear-sights (Target) on my two X-frame Smith and Wesson's. And he has done the Colt Black-powder chamfer treatment on all my revolvers and other refinement work like measuring the cylinder throats and altering as necessary. And I use his lanyard ring set-up on the Hogue grips of my two X-frames and the lanyard is from them too. I highly recommend Bowen Classic Arms!!!

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 Originally Posted By: Jeff460
Bowen is an artist so go with his products. I highly endorse his work and his products.



Thanks for the info on the front sight. Bowen suggested this gold bead for the dx insert:

http://www.sdmfabricating.com/order.htm

Re: Ruger Bisley 44 Mag project help [Re: dave19113] #199304 04/30/2019 1:40 PM
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Dave,
Which one of the gold-bead front sight sizes are you going to get? Will it be the .300 size gold-bead front sight, or the smaller size gold-bead front sight from that link? Both look like they are made for the Smith and Wesson DX style sight base?
I have a LARGE McGivern gold bead on the front sight of my 500 S&W. Heavy recoil forces do not permit a traditional DX interchangeable system on mine. I am told the spring, under intense recoil impulse, will compress and the sight will fly off. Seems the screw modification to replace the plunger would allow it to stay though.
Freedom Arms uses a screw put in from the front of the front sight base with a tapered point to sink into a angled cut in the front of the sight blade. With a liquid fixative of some strength it might also help hold the screw and keep it tight. Still, that sight I bought after-market from Brownell's that is pinned in is a good one, so I may never try to get a DX set-up for it.

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Re: Ruger Bisley 44 Mag project help [Re: Jeff460] #199390 05/02/2019 7:22 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Jeff460
Dave,
Which one of the gold-bead front sight sizes are you going to get? Will it be the .300 size gold-bead front sight, or the smaller size gold-bead front sight from that link? Both look like they are made for the Smith and Wesson DX style sight base?
I have a LARGE McGivern gold bead on the front sight of my 500 S&W. Heavy recoil forces do not permit a traditional DX interchangeable system on mine. I am told the spring, under intense recoil impulse, will compress and the sight will fly off. Seems the screw modification to replace the plunger would allow it to stay though.
Freedom Arms uses a screw put in from the front of the front sight base with a tapered point to sink into a angled cut in the front of the sight blade. With a liquid fixative of some strength it might also help hold the screw and keep it tight. Still, that sight I bought after-market from Brownell's that is pinned in is a good one, so I may never try to get a DX set-up for it.


Talking with Bowen, It looks like .300 is going to be a good option for me. I plan on going with the Bowen Rogh Country w/ V notch


http://parts.bowenclassicarms.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=37

I just have to wait to shoot it to figure which height rear sigh
t to have made.

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Sounds like this project is coming along nicely. Keep me posted if you will. Thank You!

Re: Ruger Bisley 44 Mag project help [Re: Jeff460] #199398 05/02/2019 11:32 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Jeff460
Sounds like this project is coming along nicely. Keep me posted if you will. Thank You!



I most def will. I'll post before and after pictu
res of course.


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