BBC Article - Africa Section

Well I'm sure not all of them are lost but well hidden. What do they expect when the police have siezed over 180,000 guns in the last 3 years because the people couldn't demonstrate a "need" as defined by the government. If anyone in this country doesn't think that there are many forces working to take our firearms away then follow some of the links from this site.

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Governments love unarmed subjects and if the left wing of our country get their way it will be the same here, where else can you sue a resteraunt for being fat or a tobacco company for using something you know is bad for you or a gun company for a psychopath misusing their product. I think we should sue the car companies for everybody that has ever died in a car accident, how about baseball bat manufacturers or lets' see there have been lots of people strangled with different objects or stabbed with kitchen knives, how about God for hurricanes, toronadoes, earthquakes, you get the picture. Before you know it the government will be telling us what and how to do with every aspect of our lives.

i don't know about you guys, but every time i see one of those "gun piles" and knowing what's gonna happen to 'em............

Whoa there John, they only want the bad ones that kill people, not the hunting guns. Ours are safe! When it comes down to it, the States and locals can do anything they want (like your child support) and we have the burden of prooving otherwise. It happened with my brother too with an ex. She posted a 'PFA' and the police knocked on his door to confiscate his guns the very next day. OOPs, they were missing from his closet, but thank God, because they were the first things they came for! They actually called me and tried to find them. They never did find them, but the PFA expired, he is divorced and buying guns again. Go figure. I don't hate our government, but I do despise the left wing. My feelings are that if they knew they weren't doing illegal things, they wouldn't fear gun toters! Shumer, Lautenberg, Finglestein, and (murderous white trailer tradsh)Clintons seem to forget- it's the government of the people, for the people, and by the people! They mistrust us because they know what they are capable of! After all that, they can have my guns; line them up. I had a friend who despised drinking so much he lined up full cans of beer just see how many a 7mm mag could go through. I wish he would've selected Radical Left Wingers instead! They better watch out cuz he hates them more than I do. Sorry for the long note, but this boils me.

The South African government just wants to make sure things go smoothly when they start confiscating white owned farms for redistribution to the blacks, just like Zimbabwe is doing.

Tom, you are exactly right.

Not to rain on your parade, but Hitler never made that quote. It has been researched, and was proven to be false.

Ahmen to that Tom and Gary!

Back to the frog in the pot on the stove. heat the water slowly and its going to stay put and die.

Unfortunately you institute an ongoing media blits that is outwardly and subtley anti gun. Only publish gun violence in the media. Have the media promote new legislation as tough on crime, throw in a few draconian clauses (which will affect every one) and viola, the sheep out there in society are happy to accept it.

Never mind not being able to fight crime efficiently - you now have a police force that can't police the country's gun laws. There is no way in this life time they'll be able to get through the work required to relicense everyone. When they drafted the legislation they budgeted on half an hour per person per relicensing - bummer they are currently at a day per person.

Thanks Gary I never realised this site existed. Pity amoungst the articles they have failed to include anything about people saving lives with firearms. But I guess it's their site and they can choose what they wish to publish. One should ask them about the St James Church massacre. A number of terrorists broke into a busy church on a Sunday night throwing grenades into the busy pews and firing AK47s into the packed benches of parishners. Unfortunately they hadn't counted on one member of the parish being armed - he fired back. The one attacker who was put behind bars admitted that being shot at was the reason they ran. Had they not met with resistance they would have kept going until everyone was dead or they had run out of ammo. Naturally the chap who fired back was labasted in the press - and by some of his fellow parishners - who goes to church armed they asked - a life saver you morons.

This topic gets me a little hot under the collar My turn to go through the relicensing joke next year. Sorry Guys they want all your guns - every last one of them. Not the ones that are committed in crimes - start with the soft targets then worry about the other's.

Unfortunately the soft targets are the ones who need it most. The media blitz at the start of this legislation frightened the old, infirm into handing in their firearm(s) during an "amnesty". (Amnesty here = hand in firearm and it will be sent for ballistics, pending that you will or won't be prosecuted - go figure). Some 56000-65000 firearms were handed in. not one was unlicensed - that is not one illegal firearm was handed in. It was hailed as a success . The local policeman can barely shoot straight. the look of confusion on his face when I pop in and say I want another is pretty good, As it is I am convinced his lift doesn't go to the top and the paperwork he has to go through because I want another license just cuts into his valuable day's coffee break.

Now the quetion which needs to be posed to this sort of site is: Do they think all firearms handed in will make it to the smelter? The answer: NO. At one local police station 40 were sold on to or stolen by criminals. Unfortunately for the policeman involved one was confiscated in the commission of a crime.

There is so much pressure on governments, particularly 3rd world governments (always hungry for money), from the UN (Japan too) to outlaw private firearm ownership with vast monetary rewards in return, that they cannot be ignored. Unfortunately in South Africa, most of the money received has gone into fighting profirearm groups to get this thing through, that not much is left. Government now find themselves in the difficult position of either back track (without losing face) or ban firearms altogether - and turn us all into criminals. If they go back they are afraid of recourse from those who were too afraid and handed their guns in for destruction. Perhaps something to ask your congressman is What is America's position in the UN during discussions about the Non Proliferation of small arms and private gun ownership.(I am not attcking anyone here I may just be an interesting exercise).

Relicensing continues at a snail pace. Most of the guns destroyed were those obtained via the "Amnesty" and security firms.

Don't be fooled you could be next.

I say we hang all the politicians starting with the un members and start over of course if we started publicly executing all the perverts and murderers in this country they might think twice about commiting crimes but oh no we can't have them feel any pain when they die we have to put them to sleep like a patient going in for surgery. I say kill them slowly, painfully and publicly. My family didn't kill brits in the 1700's so we could have our rights taken away from us

Think NRA/ILA. When they send a letter looking for money...........Send a little
When they send you a form letter to foward to your local, state, or federal officials.......Send it in.
Subscribe to two of their magazines, they're cheap.
Extend your membership a few years.
Get an NRA Visa card, the NRA gets 5%.
I think NRA/ILA is our best defense for our Rights.
We need to continue to support them.

Well, I am a NRA life member, I still send additional money and I get both magazines. I am a proverbial pain in the side when it comes to writing and calling reps and government officials. I let them know I am an NRA member and I vote. I know this comment may be wrong in some eyes, but when I vote, I vote pro-gun because it's the only issue that really affects us! All other issues are always negotiated anyway. Taxes will never go away, welfare and subsidy will never go away, and neither will all the social programs. All of these will never go away for fear of revolt. They have to keep the masses happy. Look at Europe and the taxes social programs. Guns are the only issues and we are a very small minority because we don't have solidarity. Shooters and hunters have to stick together. The AR-15 has as much right in our hands as does a Remnington 700 or a Glock. I hear too many Pa hunteers say 'who cares' when it comes to handguns and semi-auto rifles. Gun ownership and the 2nd amendment isn't about hunting and there is no compromise. Give a little and lose alot. Freedom for security? I think not!