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WE MADE A DIFFERENCE #37851 10/29/2008 11:25 PM
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After sending the email I posted under the cooper rifle post I received this back from Cooper Firearms.


In response to the recent article highlighting Dan Cooper’s personal political donations, the board of directors, shareholders and employees of Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc would like to issue the following statement.



The employees, shareholders and board of directors of Cooper Firearms of Montana do not share the personal political views of Dan Cooper.



Although we all believe everyone has a right to vote and donate as they see fit, it has become apparent that the fallout may affect more than just Mr. Cooper. It may also affect the employees and the shareholders of Cooper Firearms.



The board of directors has asked Mr. Cooper to resign as President of Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc.



Daily operations will continue with the competent staff currently in place in Stevensville, MT producing the finest, most accurate rifles money can buy.



Dan Cooper has spent all of his working life producing the highest quality rifles built here in the USA. He started with nothing but the American Dream and built that into firearms company anyone would be proud of. We firmly believe Dan stands by the 2nd amendment.

We wish him all of the best in his future pursuits


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Re: WE MADE A DIFFERENCE [Re: wapitirod] #37852 10/29/2008 11:31 PM
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HooYaa!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: WE MADE A DIFFERENCE [Re: TCTex.] #37853 10/29/2008 11:38 PM
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What a shame, but you make your own bed....


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Re: WE MADE A DIFFERENCE [Re: 7STDUBBERU] #37855 10/29/2008 11:49 PM
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has cooper arms donated to mccain?

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Re: WE MADE A DIFFERENCE [Re: pahandgunhunter] #37858 10/30/2008 12:01 AM
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 Originally Posted By: pahandgunhunter
has cooper arms donated to mccain?


I can't find any documentation of any donations to McCain but I'm not sure if the NY Times information would include money given to campaign through the RNC or NRA-ILA programs.


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Re: WE MADE A DIFFERENCE [Re: wapitirod] #37861 10/30/2008 12:20 AM
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I got the same e-mail response from Cooper Arms.

It is illeagle for any company or corporation to donate to a political campaign. So no Cooper Arms has not made a donation to either campaign. That's why I sent the e-mail as Cooper Arms was guilty by association if Dan Cooper was still affiliated with them. I see that Cooper Arms has made a quick and what I feel just decision to be unaffiliated with him.

As for purchasing a Cooper firearm....well, I'll have to think about it.


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Re: WE MADE A DIFFERENCE [Re: Tigger] #37863 10/30/2008 12:34 AM
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This reminds me a old Jimmy Dumbo when he made his stupid black rifle comments and he was out faster than a fat chick in dodgeball.But look at him now, the storm blew over, Americas short term memory loss kicks in and he is back like nothing ever happened. If Cooper is not ready to go, I bet he will slip back in to power of this company. One way or another he will make money from this company and donate it to anti-gun politicians so I will not be buying any rifles or the new pistols from Benedict Cooper...


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Re: WE MADE A DIFFERENCE [Re: 7STDUBBERU] #37869 10/30/2008 12:57 AM
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All of these thing have now made Hunlee mad aswell!!!!!

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Re: WE MADE A DIFFERENCE [Re: hunlee] #37872 10/30/2008 1:24 AM
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I had the same thoughts as you Shawn. Cooper Arms has done damage control for now. But if Dan was the founding father he's not going to leave that easy. After the hot spot cools down he might slip in the back door.


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Re: WE MADE A DIFFERENCE [Re: Tigger] #37881 10/30/2008 2:20 AM
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Even if he steps down, I doubt he will give up his stock and income. Kinda like a Japanese car made in America....the money still goes to Japan.

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Re: WE MADE A DIFFERENCE [Re: ranger140892] #37882 10/30/2008 2:31 AM
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I think it's safe to say that the company is going to pay a steep price for one mans stupidity and I feel for the employees but if we want to keep our guns this is the kind of response we have to have when someone does something like this. I'm still amazed at the number of gun owners that don't get it, regardless of the other issues facing this country without the 2nd amendment the constitution is as worthless as a guard dog with no teeth.


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Re: WE MADE A DIFFERENCE [Re: Tigger] #37886 10/30/2008 2:44 AM
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They have asked him to step down as Pres… that doesn’t mean that he will not still be on the board or…

You don’t just kick someone like that out of their co. I have a funny suspicion that he will still be involved somehow!

If he does own stock that is another can of worms all together.


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Re: WE MADE A DIFFERENCE [Re: TCTex.] #37891 10/30/2008 3:06 AM
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you guys are probably right that he may not go to far but I think a major point was made and hopefully other arms manufactures will take notice.


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Re: WE MADE A DIFFERENCE [Re: wapitirod] #37904 10/30/2008 10:55 AM
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 Originally Posted By: wapitirod
you guys are probably right that he may not go to far but I think a major point was made and hopefully other arms manufactures will take notice.


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Re: WE MADE A DIFFERENCE [Re: 7STDUBBERU] #37922 10/30/2008 7:15 PM
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This is strictly damage control,Dan Cooper will still benefit from HIS companies profits.I WILL NOT BUY A COOPER.In response to Shawns post about Zumbo,I could not agree more,TO this day I WILL NOT WATCH ANY PROGRAM THAT HE IS A PART OF.Some sportsman may have short memories or just do
not care,I AM NOT ONE.
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One of the greatest tools we as Americans have at our disposal is our Dollar. I feel a lot of people have forgotten that. I use my money to talk for me. I do not give my money to people I disagree with (with the exception of taxes especially if the socialist wins). Cooper firearms will never receive a dollar of mine. I would even go so far as to say I will never own a cooper firearm. even if the chance to purchase is second hand.


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Unfortunately, I have two Cooper firearms, but you can bet that I won't be purchasing anymore! If I knew my hard earned money was going to the Marxist I definately would not have purchased them!!!


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 Originally Posted By: 7STDUBBERU
But look at him now, the storm blew over, Americas short term memory loss kicks in and he is back like nothing ever happened.


I agree, people forget things like this too easily. I still won't buy a S&W because of the "deal with the devil" they tried to cut a few years back. I do tend to hold a grudge though.


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Re: WE MADE A DIFFERENCE [Re: pab1] #37970 10/31/2008 3:03 AM
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usatoday responds to cooper firing.........

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/e ... sted_N.htm


WASHINGTON — Montana gunsmith Dan Cooper has been ousted as chief executive of the rifle company that bears his name after pressure from gun owners who are angry that he is supporting Democrat Barack Obama.
Cooper, founder and part owner of Cooper Firearms, told USA TODAY in a story published Tuesday that he has voted for Republicans for most of his life, but he is backing Obama "probably because of the war. And also because the Republican Party has moved so far right in recent years." Cooper said he was attracted to the Democrat's message about "the retooling of America, which involves the building of middle-class jobs and helping American small business be competitive with those overseas."


Cooper contributed $3,300 to Obama's presidential campaign, according to election records complied by the non-partisan CQ MoneyLine.

The USA TODAY article sparked outrage from some gun owners and bloggers, including an open letter on a blog called Firearms and Freedom, urging people to boycott the company's products. Many gun enthusiasts believe Obama will try to restrict their right to bear arms, although he has said he respects the Second Amendment.

In a portion of the interview that was not included in Tuesday's story, Cooper said, "I don't believe that what's being said about Obama and his policies about guns are accurate. I have had a conversation with the senator … he is a stanch supporter of the right to hunt and the right to bear arms."

The company posted a statement Wednesday night on its website that said:

"The employees, shareholders and board of directors of Cooper Firearms of Montana do not share the personal political views of Dan Cooper. Although we all believe everyone has a right to vote and donate as they see fit, it has become apparent that the fallout may affect more than just Mr. Cooper. It may also affect the employees and the shareholders of Cooper Firearms. The board of directors has asked Mr. Cooper to resign as President."

Cooper Firearms employs 38 people, Cooper said Monday. Cooper started the company with two partners in 1990. It manufactures wood-stock bolt-action hunting rifles that start at around $1,600. In October 1992, Cooper presented a rifle to then-President George H.W. Bush at a Montana campaign event.

In a statement Thursday to USA TODAY, Cooper said, "There is nothing on this earth I will not do for my employees … we have fought through 20 years of building what I believe to be the finest rifles built in America …When the internet anger turned on these innocent people, I felt it was important to distance myself from the company so as not to cause any further harm."

He said he had resigned the company. He did not address whether he will maintain an ownership stake — except to say, "stronger measures may be forthcoming."

"It's a really McCarthyism at its worst," said Bob Ricker, executive director of the American Hunters and Shooters Association, which has endorsed Obama. "That's really why our organization was formed, was to deal with this craziness. If you're a gun owner, but you have a contrary view to some of these wackos, they will go out and try to destroy you."

Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer, a Democrat, said in a phone interview that he was disturbed by the backlash against Cooper.

"It's the silly season," Schweitzer said. "There are people who have partisan interests here, and they are using the gun issue. Three weeks from now these bloggers are going to wake up, look under their bed and see that their gun is still there."

The governor, who once described himself as a "gun-toting. .. kind of Democrat," said he is a "big supporter of Cooper Arms."

"I'll go anywhere in the country to help them sell their product," he said.

Representatives for the campaigns of Obama and Republican John McCain did not respond to requests for comment.

Some gun websites had posted the company's e-mail address and telephone number, encouraging gun owners to boycott the company and contact its top executives.

"This needs to get around," wrote a blogger who calls himself "Sebastian, a thirty something, self professed 'gun nut' living somewhere in Pennsylvania." He added: "Gun owners need to know which companies sell their interests down the river. Here's contact info for Cooper Firearms. I would talk to them, and be sure they know Obama's record, why you're not voting for him, and why you'll never buy one of their products."

The company said in a statement to USA TODAY that it had received more than a thousand emails over the controversy.

When the USA TODAY story was first published, Cooper Firearms posted a statement saying that Dan Cooper had only given money to Obama in order to "to help defeat Hillary Clinton" in the Democratic primaries and to protest the shifting of American jobs overseas. The statement said Cooper had then given money to the McCain and the Republican National Committee. Election records show no Cooper donations to McCain or the RNC, and the statement was later taken down.

Last year, a similar outpouring of outrage derailed the career of Wyoming outdoorsman Jim Zumbo after he denounced the use of assault rifles for hunting. Zumbo was a staff writer for Outdoor Life magazine and the host of a television show on the Outdoor Channel.

"Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity," Zumbo wrote in his blog on outdoorlife.com. "I'll go so far as to call them 'terrorist' rifles."

"Within a few days, I was radioactive in the industry," Zumbo writes on his website, jimzumbo.com. The magazine "asked me for my resignation, and I was suddenly without employment. I was done writing, and my TV show was on hiatus. Many of the companies that supported me in the past issued severance statements with me on their websites, as did shooting and firearms organizations," including the National Rifle Association.

Zumbo was able to save his career by publicly embracing assault rifles. He wrote a mea culpa entitled, "I was wrong, big time." And he "went on to work with the Second Amendment Foundation … and attended a three-day assault rifle course, which I immensely enjoyed," he writes on his website.

"It's very simple supporting the second amendment is like being pregnant. Either you do or you don't,," said Jim Shepherd, who publishes the Outdoor Wire and other newsletters. "Is it right? It just is. It's the way it works. It's absolutism. Dan Cooper laughed at his customers. If that company does not take Cooper out of its name, they're dead."

Andrew Arulanandam, spokesman for the National Rifle Association, said the Cooper Firearms controversy is "an indication of how voters and gun owners feel about Barack Obama. He has a lifetime record of opposing their rights."

Obama has been trying to assure voters otherwise.

Earlier this month in Lebanon, Ohio, he said, "I believe in the Second Amendment. I believe in people's lawful right to bear arms. I will not take your shotgun away. I will not take your rifle away. I won't take your handgun away."

Re: WE MADE A DIFFERENCE [Re: Montanan] #37972 10/31/2008 3:12 AM
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so I guess we're all wacko's now, but then again they've already said that hunters can't tell the difference between an animal a jew or black so I guess we're all just a bunch of ignorant, militant neo nazi fruitloops, oh well I've been called worse.


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No man can tame the tongue.

Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent… still working on that one! LOL


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no but you can cut it off
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Great write ups and it shows that they have to listen to us or they will be out a job. I can't believe that Zumbo said what he said of all people? Here's your card Jimmy boy! Cooper firearms won't get any of my money unless Cooper is gone gone gone!


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People think were all gonna use are gun's against them. Well we didn't need them to get jim or dan. I can fight with my mouth just as well as my pistol.

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