Need Advice
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12/22/2008 12:40 AM
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Went to the range today wasn't inpressed with what happend. Maybe I'm expecting too much, couldn't get it to group like I wanted. I could hit one of those deer sized cardboard targets in the vitals 90% of the time off rest. I only shot 6 times without rest and hit it all 6 times. I was shooting at 50yards I'm worried about the TC scope maybe it's just me and I need more : trigger time. Thinking about putting my 2x7 Burris on it I'm shooting 2"to 5"groups. Any advice or I'm expecting too much for the first time out.
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Re: Need Advice
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12/22/2008 12:50 AM
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Re: Need Advice
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12/22/2008 1:00 AM
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Sorry, 44mag SBH Hunter 7.5 " barrel shooting 240gr Federal power shok JHP, also 240gr Hornday JHP/XTP it liked the Hornaday better.
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Re: Need Advice
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12/22/2008 1:04 AM
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Do you have a scope on it now??
If it jams force it! If it breaks it needed replacing anyway.
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Re: Need Advice
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12/22/2008 1:18 AM
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I'm not a wheel gun guy, can't offer much help. Hunted with a Redhawk & a 29 years ago. They were finicky. 2"-5" with factory ammo at 50 yds sounds about right from what I've seen from most revolvers.
Try: make sure your scope rings/base are right, try another scope, trigger job, clean bore regularly and when switching bullets, machine rest, try several loads, check cylinder alignment, fire groups from one chamber at a time and compare, lots of dryfire practice to defeat flinch.
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Re: Need Advice
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12/22/2008 1:26 AM
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Thats what I can do with my ruger 357 mag at 50 yards no rest and no scope. could be anything!!
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Re: Need Advice
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12/22/2008 1:32 AM
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I don't know how much time you have in revolver shooting, particularly single actions, but grip pressure and grip position mean a ton. Even off of bags you need to be consistant with the grip. Also when shooting off bags do not let the butt of the grip rest on anything. I use my standard field hold and cradle the frame, in front of the trigger guard, on the bags. It helps a lot and your POI doesn't change much when you go to off-hand. Takes practice, and more practice.
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Re: Need Advice
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12/22/2008 1:34 AM
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Yes I have a scope on it now I have a 2.5x7 TC scope on it thinking about putting my 2x7 Burris on it just don't trust the scope.
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Re: Need Advice
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12/22/2008 1:34 AM
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Sounds ok to me. Try different loads. Somtimes the heavier are more accurate in the Rugers. I always had good luck w/Cast Performance 300 gr WFNGC's. Federal 300 gr Cast Cores are the same for factory ammo. As for that scope. My buddy's been using a T/C 2.5X on his 44 w/heavy loads since 1993. He's never had a problem.
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Re: Need Advice
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12/22/2008 1:34 AM
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Yes I have a scope on it now I have a 2.5x7 TC scope on it thinking about putting my 2x7 Burris on it just don't trust the scope.
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Re: Need Advice
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12/22/2008 1:40 AM
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I was shooting of the bag and wasn't resting the butt on anything I have been learning alot by reading on the info passed on on this site maybe this is the best I can get out of the TC scope
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Re: Need Advice
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12/22/2008 1:44 AM
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1st thing I would look at is a set of Wolf springs if you do not already have them.
2nd Mine SBHBH seems to like the 300gr+ cast bullets as well as the 240 XTP at a moderate pace (240 XTP W/ 18.5gr of 2400)
3rd Check the Cylinder throat size
4th The grip pressure comment is very good (Work on holding the gun the same each time)
The best mine has done is about 1.5" @ 50yds
My 45 Colt Bisley will do that out to 100 on a good day that gun is amazing.
If it jams force it! If it breaks it needed replacing anyway.
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Re: Need Advice
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12/22/2008 2:02 AM
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I'll try the 300gr cast also what does the cylinder throat size have to do with it. I know this is probably a stupd question but being new I just don't know.
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Re: Need Advice
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12/22/2008 2:06 AM
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Well if they are undersize it makes a huge differance on accuracy.
If they are .430-.431 you are fine
If it jams force it! If it breaks it needed replacing anyway.
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Re: Need Advice
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12/22/2008 2:14 AM
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undersized throats will deform the bullet before it enters the forcing cone and then engages the rifling causing poor accuracy, this problem is most common in 45 cal Rugers but most guns will benefit to one extent or another from reaming as it makes all the throats consistent
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Re: Need Advice
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12/22/2008 3:19 AM
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I have used T/C scopes on 450 marlin encore pistol,454 raging bull,480 ruger as well as others and I never had an issue with them.I don't think you can expect to shoot sub MOA groups from MOST revolvers and especially not until you send a few pounds of lead downrange.I generally shoot hundreds of rounds per year,handguns take much more practice than a long gun..JMO Jim
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Re: Need Advice
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12/22/2008 1:53 PM
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Just a couple questions. How much time do you have shooting single actions? Also how much time do you have shooting large bore guns/ Like some one else stated grip pressure on a single action can make or break group sizes. Spend a lot of time dry firing as if you were shhoting at a target. This will help develop muscle memory and allow you to determine if you are flinching. I cannot over stress making sure the gun is empty. Have someone watch while you are doing this to see if you are flinching. If you reload start trying various weight bullets with different charges of powder and even different powders. The load that works great in my SBH might not group out of your gun. Each gun is different and does not always group the same load the same. A trigger job could help as well. One other thing would be having someone else shoot the gun and check the results. I have had to do that before. Mainly practice, practice, practice. Good luck on resolving this. Rick
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Re: Need Advice
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12/22/2008 2:19 PM
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Like H2OBUG said but mine likes cast 300gr bevel truncated bullet . It seems to like the slower velocity.
It's a Dry Heat
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Re: Need Advice
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12/22/2008 2:21 PM
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Last year I bought a Ruger SRH in .454. After hundreds of dollars spent on components trying to find a reason why my best group at 50 yards was 5.5", I finally sent the gun back to Ruger for a refund. There could very well be a problem with your gun. If, God forbid, you end up sending your revolver back to Ruger, know that you will be in my prayers.
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Re: Need Advice
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12/22/2008 3:09 PM
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It sounds like it's doing good some of the time I'd say practice all you can.When I first got really serious about shooting and shooting animal accurate it took several several times to the range to get consistent,then several more to get better groups.
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Re: Need Advice
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12/22/2008 4:05 PM
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clayzzz, I have a SBHBH, it's pure stock, no additives or perservatives, and it's extremely accurate. I had to find what load it liked best. It prefered hard cast over jacketed bullets. It shoots well with 280 & 300gr hardcast bullets with max loads of H110. As far as your part, all the advise above is right on. One thing that I like to do when training others shooting fundamentals is, load some dummy rounds in the caliber your having trouble with. Have someone else load your gun. This way you won't know when or if it's gonna fire. (it's always best to shoot a few first) Now, by doing this, the bystander or coach, can see what you're doing right or wrong. It's impossible to tell if someone is flinching when firing. And believe me, if you're flinching, it will tell. This is worth a try before spending a lot of money on the weapon, when it could be you that's the problem.....KRal
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Re: Need Advice
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12/22/2008 5:40 PM
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Practice, practice, practice!
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Re: Need Advice
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12/22/2008 8:01 PM
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I've been loading dummy rounds for years to check folks for flinching. It's amazing to watch someone tense up and jump when that empty round comes up. Dry firing at the TV every night works wonders.
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Re: Need Advice
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12/22/2008 10:13 PM
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Guys thanks for all the help I'm going out after Christmas to practice some more picked up 100 more 240gr of the cheaper win ammo I'm also going to pick up some more of the Hornady 240gr and some of the 300gr cast only thing we have is 300gr made by BlackHills anybody have any experience with their ammo. Sounds like I need more range time to get used to the gun also I tried to use the same grip the whole time and thought I was keeping the same grip pressure I'll pay closer atention next time.
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Re: Need Advice
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12/23/2008 6:20 AM
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Practice and form.Pay special attention to how the gun feels in your hands right before you start your trigger pull.Are you squeezing the grip?Letting it just sit?Are your arms locked?Or just one?I have found a very little detail can change point of impact.For instance if I grip my gun then cock it then pull my trigger finger out and prepare to shoot my point of impact is different than if I never put my trigger finger down on my grip and just keep it propped right below the cylinder on the frame.Just something to think about.
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