penetration tests
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04/24/2009 10:48 AM
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Re: penetration tests
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04/24/2009 11:28 AM
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Re: penetration tests
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04/24/2009 1:04 PM
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I was surprised that the 500 onlt penetrated 1 more board than the 460, and that was using a bullet that weighed twice as much as the 200 gr. barnes bullet in the 460! In my opinion the 460 is the king.
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04/24/2009 1:57 PM
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yes mike you are right that was great infor. larry
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04/24/2009 4:51 PM
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Re: penetration tests
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04/24/2009 4:57 PM
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I wonder if any KO value could be incorporated into the test by looking at the damage done to the boards?
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04/24/2009 9:38 PM
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KO value is based on a mathematical formula giving credit to the bullet diameter and it's based on a solid bullet which does not expand. Damage to the board would be much more significant using an expanding bullet but of course penetration would be less given other factors being the same. You can calculate KO values here: http://www.handgunhunt.com/promo/membership/features/TaylorKO.php
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04/24/2009 10:52 PM
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That was good Anybody know what Corbon loads the 460 395gr at?
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Re: penetration tests
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04/24/2009 11:24 PM
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I think that the numbers (e.g. damage done to wood instead of penetration) would still correspond respectfully to knock down power. Something about the splinter factor equation. Ha, I like that! How many little pieces of wood did it make… I may be wrong, Lord knows it wouldn’t be the first time, I just think it would be neet to find similarities, particularly if you used similar bullets for the tests in each caliber.
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04/25/2009 1:46 AM
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Re: penetration tests
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04/25/2009 5:08 AM
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The 460 does have a limitation on bullet weight though. the 500 can launch bullets of well over 600 grains. A heavier bullet at a slower velocity will penetrate better than a lighter faster one. I'll take the 500 for pure pachyderm penetrating power. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz2cqP7Ogww Good 45-70 test of the same nature
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04/25/2009 6:33 AM
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I was looking for the hardcast to go thru em all. I don't think the splinter factor would really mean anything, though I did like it when it split the boards. differant pcs of wood do differant things. Anybody ever split wood for the stove?
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04/25/2009 2:19 PM
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I was looking for the hardcast to go thru em all. I don't think the splinter factor would really mean anything, though I did like it when it split the boards. differant pcs of wood do differant things. Anybody ever split wood for the stove?
jar That's the problem with pushing hardcast bullets fast. You will distort the nose and it will hurt penetration. I don't think the test is too telling. Now, if I were hunting trees.......
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04/25/2009 5:19 PM
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Do the test over at 50 yards and see what happens. That will tell you the truth !!!!
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Re: penetration tests
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04/25/2009 5:40 PM
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I would say the medium is the problem. We can't expect bullets that were designed to dispatch animals and punch through flesh and bone, to do really well in a medium that is that hard. I prefer wet newsprint as it more closely resembles flesh in its consistencey (I know, it's not perfect, but it is more telling). You can also throw a beef knuckle or two in there to simulate well, bone! Download the .500 Smith to the 1,200 - 1,300 fps range and I am willing to bet it goes father..... Just some suggestions.
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04/25/2009 7:04 PM
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Apparently those LeveRevolution style bullets (FTX) are no good for weight retention and certainly do not stay together upon impact. I experienced the exact same results (seperation of jacket and core) as this guy using the 200gr FTX bullets.
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Re: penetration tests
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04/25/2009 11:24 PM
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Ok, those were factory loads. I'll take my 500 with my reloads and I would bet all those boards would be blown to hell. My 300gr jfp's do 2050 fps. I would bet that would do some wood chopping....
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Re: penetration tests
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05/02/2009 5:05 AM
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Apparently those LeveRevolution style bullets (FTX) are no good for weight retention and certainly do not stay together upon impact. I experienced the exact same results (seperation of jacket and core) as this guy using the 200gr FTX bullets. I work at Cabela's and have heard that about the FTX bullet at least 5 if not 10 times. The FTX just doesn't do it for weight retention.
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Re: penetration tests
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05/02/2009 10:24 PM
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Go to http://www.handloads.com, and select Linebaugh Seminar Penetration Tests. You will notice that many of the handgun rounds using hardcast bullets outpenetrated the rifles. Very eye opening stuff. Just my .02, LeonCarr
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