.25 acp for deer?? In our great liberal state of washington our new regs say .24 cal min. centerfire, minumum 4" barrel. So anyone have any suggestions for a good .25 acp with a 4 inch barrel, that I could use for deer?? Dave

You could stick that handgun in the web of a slingshot and have a better chance of knocking a deer cold rather than actually shooting it with a .25ACP cartridge. Make sure a loaded mag is in the gun as the added weight will supply additional kinetic energy!!

LOL!! Exactly!

No minimum cartridge length? Just another case of those writing the rules not knowing what they are doing :-(

Actually, I happen to very much agree with lack of restriction and you should be thankful. Sportsmen should be, and I think most are, responsible and knowledgeable enough that we don't need some politician to tell us what is suitable for hunting. All the states that restrict barrel length, for example, really frosts my butt. You can't tell me that if someone is going to fail to master a 6" barreled gun, that that reducing the length by 1 or 2 inches is really going to make any difference at all; they still won't be able to shoot it well.

I agree. Let the hunter make the choice, good or bad. The great state of MS has "no" caliber restrictions. It's legal to use any from 17 rimfire thru dirty Harry ulta belted super mag. Not saying either of the extreme is best choice, but it's legal and up to the hunter.

X3!

I also agree that the suits should stay out ot it. But if they are going to regulate, the regulations should make sense. The barrel length restrictions are mostly due to ignorence of handguns altogether.

I shoot a 25 once held it straight out. Pulled the trigger almost shot my toe off.

One of those bent barrels, huh;)

Boomarang bullet. The air pushed it back.:)

Not sure how reliable the story is ,but.....A buddy of mine from quite a while back thought it would be a good stunt to shoot a groundhog with a 25 ACP. He sat in back of a hole a matter of a cpl feet away and when the hog poked his head out shot him. He said the bullet glanced off the chucks skull.

This is just too much! LOL I'd let you shoot me in the A$$ with one of those things! HAHAHEHE No really, those rounds are really cute!

How bigs your a$$?? They are not that accurate either!

185 wet! And I hate to say it, but I got a bad case of Noassatall! LOL

I think the reason for caliber restrictions is because some yahoo went out and tried to hunt deer with something like the 25 ACP or 9mm and did not do so well. The barrel restrictions are more to keep guns like the 92FS from being used as a hunting handgun.

In MD they state you can not use FMJ bullets tracers or a.p. bullets.

some laws are there because some idiot didn't think before doing softening.

What do you mean not that accurate you can hit the broad side of a barn from 2 to 3 feet

Idaho has an any centerfire rule, its been this way for years. The problem is some people just don't get it, I know of people right in the small town I live in that hunt elk every year with a 223, thats all they have. Now all of us know that a 223 will kill an elk.....we also know it will wound several before one of them drops. Giving some people the benefit of the doubt can be a big mistake, while I'm all for leaving hunters alone to use common sense as they see fit I also know that some people just weren't meant to reproduce!
I don't think that putting a 24-25 caliber 1 1/2" minimum case is going to cause anyone any grief if they are serious about hunting.
Last year in Montana I shot 2 whitetails with my 41 Bisley, on skinning one of them out I found 2 22 rimfire bullets just under the hide. Just my thoughts.

Dick

I had a patient in the ER here in Minneapolis that died from being shot in the head with a .25 APC. I guess he wasn't all that gansta-tough after all.....he wasn't even groundhog tough!!!

sixshot

"Idaho has an any centerfire rule"

Not quite an any centerfire. Minimum is 22 cal.

Quote: "Not quite an any centerfire. Minimum is 22 cal."

This is a WORLD of difference than

"Idaho has an any centerfire rule"

More of why the rules/laws have to be written specifically. Sad but true.

I agree and Oregon is the same way which I like but you need to have common sense. In Oregon it is .22 centerfire for rifle and handgun for deer, bear, cougar and antelope and .24 for elk. bighorn sheep and mountain goat. The trick is too have common sense.

New York at one time had a minimum caliber restriction of .357, because the boys who did the balistic work to determine a prudent cartridge restriction came up with the "muzzle energy equivalent to a 158 grain .357magnum load"- of cours thatwas too many words, so the law read .35 caliber- which excluded lots of really adequate bottleneck cartridges- but did force my wife to buy me a 35 rem barrel for my contender, since then the restriction has been changed to any centerfire cartridge and a barrel length of less than sixteen inches, and a magazine restriction that doesn't matter to me because I never carry half a box of cartridges when I'm hunting anyway.

some one shot one of my horses with a 22 rimfire- probably from the road and at night, none the less we had a vet check him because of the appearance of a mysterious hole in his shoulder..the vet could feel the bullet with her forceps, but suggested it would be more traumatic to remove it than to leave it. we just irrigated the wound to make it heal from the bottom out. the moron that shot my horse probably thought he was a hunter- and putting any restrictions on him- like not shooting horses at night - is just going to compromise my day in the woods.

Just Slip-Up-On-'Im With That Ol' 6.35 And Put One Through One Of 'Is Peepers* * *
(The Mobsters Told Me So)

When I was a young boy on the south side of Chicago, I used to see men of color with nots on the back of thier hands. I got brave and asked what caused the nots and was told "if you put your hand in front of a .25 auto it wont go through". I took his word for it and never trusted a .25 for defence. My grandfather on my mothers side used to keep one to chase grandma's boyfriends off, running after them and shooting in the air. Bought all they are good for.

While I wish there was no need for regulation, countless "sportsmen" have proven to me over and over that they cannot be trusted to use common sense in choosing firearms appropriate to the task. Thus the need for regulation. It's bad enough that many hunters are barely proficient with their firearm of choice and/or take shots at running animals or game that is beyond their effective range. I can't see compounding this by allowing folks complete latitude in choosing a gun to hunt with.

Mike

Ky. is "any centerfire"....just as it should be. "FREE"....just like the USA should be.