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02/22/2010 11:36 PM
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I went in to my local sporting goods store today to pick up a box of Hornady SST shotgun slugs for a slug gun I put together and am playing with. This store is pretty good size for a town of 4500 people and have a decent selection but their pricing is all over the map. I used to be able to get powder for a buck or two more than most places which didn't bother me since it's an hour or more drive to the next closest place. I was in a while back and saw they had finally got in some Alliant powder and I started to get a pound of RL19 until I saw the price was 34.99. I politely questioned them about the price and they said they paid 26.00 a pound for it which I figured was bs but I let it go. Today I was in and I checked the powder shelf again and found it pretty full for the first time since the election but as I looked closer I found all the Hodgdon and IMR products started at 29.99 a pound. This time I lost it and asked them why they would charge so much for powder when every other store or mail order company is still selling it for 18.00 to 22.00 a pound and the bs started to flow so I made sure in no uncertain terms to let them know they were full of crap and raping everyone in town just to take advantage of the situation and of course that I would not be back and of course I did this very loudly and forcefully. I am amazed at how many dirt balls are out there still trying to take advantage of people by artificially inflating prices and then they don't have the back bone to own up to it but instead try to cover their asses with waist high bull sh*t. So are you guys still having to deal with this crap or am I just blessed to be amongst a bunch spineless thieves.
I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them. John Wayne-The Shootist
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Re: finally lost it
[Re: wapitirod]
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02/22/2010 11:47 PM
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Re: finally lost it
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02/22/2010 11:49 PM
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Wapitirod i think you and i wound get along just fine. I,ve always been one to call it like i see it,good for you man.
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Re: finally lost it
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02/23/2010 12:22 AM
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Yep same way here except we do have Sportsmans and Cabela's which I'm not sure is a step in the right direction. I'm glad you let them know how you really feel. I'm sure they won't forget you very soon.
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Re: finally lost it
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02/23/2010 1:39 AM
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With a $10/pound difference in price it wouldn't take long to pay for Haz Mat fee & shipping.
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Re: finally lost it
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02/23/2010 3:16 PM
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With a $10/pound difference in price it wouldn't take long to pay for Haz Mat fee & shipping. Well there's your answer! Online, you are shown what you pay for fees and freight. At the store, it's built into the price and includes the store's overhead costs and the convenience factor also, not to mention (dare I say it???) profit. I think that price is reasonable, considering the unit cost of the product alone.
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Re: finally lost it
[Re: guitarpicva]
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02/23/2010 5:38 PM
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Powder Valley's price for Hodgdon powder is $17.50/pound. Order
25 pounds,cost $437.50,+ $45.00 Haz Mat & shipping = $482.50 total. This figures out to $19.60 per pound. So $29.99/pound should cover store's overhead cost and profit(I dare say!!!!)As for the convenience,it's hard to beat making a phone call &three days later it's at your door.
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Re: finally lost it
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02/23/2010 5:59 PM
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Vance in AK.
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Must be cheaper to do business in small town Alaska!
I can buy the Hodgon & IMR powders powders by the # in smaller shops here & not pay over $26 at any of them. Some shops have it as cheap as $24 as the everyday price. I bought an 8# keg of little gun in my local small shop for $155(yeah, less than $20. per# local!!!). This is all new stock powders that have come in in the last couple of months. I can drive 150 miles one way to Anchorage & go to Sportsman's Warehouse but won't save a penny over local shops on reloading supplies. So I'm tickled with powder prices locally...
Now gas prices are a bit different... They suck (can pastors say suck?).
Refinery 15 miles down the road & we are paying $3.57 for reg... They ship out some of the fuel to the states wher it is sold for about a buck a gallon less... That's what happens when one rifinery serves every gas station (regardless of brand) in a region.
Vance in AK.
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Re: finally lost it
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02/23/2010 7:06 PM
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Maybe rod's the victim of the multiple distributor blues. A sells to B sells to C sells to rod. Everybody gets a cut.
Are the Alliant powders usually more expensive or in line with Hodgdon and IMR?
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Re: finally lost it
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02/23/2010 7:19 PM
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I have two guns shops where I live,one's nationally known.His prices average 23 dollars a pound.The other dealer I can get Alliant powders for 15.95 a pound and W296 and H110 for 19.95 per pound.The cheaper dealer's shop is only a couple blocks from the bigger dealer,so guess who's shop I buy my reloading stuff from?!Its a shame that we have some dealers who take advantage,lining their pockets instead of selling products for an honest buck.
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Re: finally lost it
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02/23/2010 7:26 PM
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Sorry if I take up for the little guy folks, but being one in business gives you a different perspective on things like this. There are so many variables to how one prices things, that it's just so difficult to paint someone as a "bad guy" for pricing on one product.
If the pricing on ALL products is done that way, sure, but how does he stay in business??? Everyone has loss leaders in retail, that's just the game....people don't spend money at your store if they have no reason to visit your store. If you have the best price on the leader item, you get them there and then they buy regularly priced stuff while they are there. You buy the cheap powder, but you pay reg price for primers or brass or bullets or whatever else you need while you are there...you are happy, the store owner is happy, etc.
Again, pardon me for being the stick-in-the-mud....
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Re: finally lost it
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02/23/2010 9:44 PM
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No reloading supplies are available in the town where I live. However, there is an individual proprietor that has a reloading & ammo store (those are his only products) located about 30 miles away. In Amarillo (50 miles away) there are various suppliers plus a Gander Mountain. I shop with the individual proprietor most of the time. I do not pay particular attention to the prices. I prefer to support an individual businessman. In addition his supply of reloading items is much better than can be found anywhere in Amarillo. I prefer the convenience of having a reasonable selection of reloading supplies conveniently located to saving a few bucks. In addition, if I want or need specific items that he does not normally stock, he will order them for me. I realize that he is not in this business for his health and if we (his customers) want him to continue to supply us, we need to buy from him.
That said ---- I am not above purchasing reloading supplies online (which I do sometimes) or picking up specific items that I have been wanting if and when I encounter them. But the bulk of my supplies are purchased from the local (relatively speaking) businessman.
Just my $.02.
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Re: finally lost it
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02/24/2010 12:19 AM
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Don't feel bad Rod when they are available locally primers are 2.99/100 but at Gander MT they are 4.99/100.Needless to say I let them know,(in a swampbilly polite way...hahaha)just because some newly elected politicians were crooks they didn't have to be.
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Re: finally lost it
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02/25/2010 7:31 AM
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to give you and example I paid 18.99 for H110 and 20.99 for IMR 4198 a few weeks about an and hour and a half from here. Since the election prices have not changed much on powder like it has on bullets and brass but that is the excuse they are using. They tried to convince me that they paid 26.99 a pound for RL19 and yet every store I've been in and every one of my catalogs doesn't even come close to that on the retail side. This is just a case of someone taking advantage of the high demand for powder that existed after the election because before that their prices were in line with everyone elses. I know there are people like that out there trying to profit off the mess created when osama was elected, their costs aren't much if any higher than they were before but they will gouge anyone they can and the problem in this area is it is isolated that most people here are pretty ignorant to what they can get stuff online for or if they make a couple hour drive. I guess it goes along with the used SRH they were asking 900.00 for or the base model 500 they wanted 1400.00. I guess the point I was making is all we can do is call these greedy bastards on their bs and quit doing business with them because they certainly aren't friends of gun owners and hunters to rip them off like that.
as a side note this may be a small town but this isn't a little guy. The store is a write off for him he owns the shopping center the store is in as well as a considerable amount of commercial property here not to mention he's part owner of a couple of Vegas casinos. I could go on and on about this guy and the stuff he's into but some of it is pretty hard to believe without seeing or knowing him. I plan on talking to him next time I see him but since his son blew his brains out he spends most of his time at his casinos.
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I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them. John Wayne-The Shootist
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Re: finally lost it
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02/25/2010 2:57 PM
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to give you and example I paid 18.99 for H110 and 20.99 for IMR 4198 a few weeks about an and hour and a half from here. Since the election prices have not changed much on powder like it has on bullets and brass but that is the excuse they are using. They tried to convince me that they paid 26.99 a pound for RL19 and yet every store I've been in and every one of my catalogs doesn't even come close to that on the retail side. This is just a case of someone taking advantage of the high demand for powder that existed after the election because before that their prices were in line with everyone elses. I know there are people like that out there trying to profit off the mess created when osama was elected, their costs aren't much if any higher than they were before but they will gouge anyone they can and the problem in this area is it is isolated that most people here are pretty ignorant to what they can get stuff online for or if they make a couple hour drive. I guess it goes along with the used SRH they were asking 900.00 for or the base model 500 they wanted 1400.00. I guess the point I was making is all we can do is call these greedy bastards on their bs and quit doing business with them because they certainly aren't friends of gun owners and hunters to rip them off like that.
as a side note this may be a small town but this isn't a little guy. The store is a write off for him he owns the shopping center the store is in as well as a considerable amount of commercial property here not to mention he's part owner of a couple of Vegas casinos. I could go on and on about this guy and the stuff he's into but some of it is pretty hard to believe without seeing or knowing him. I plan on talking to him next time I see him but since his son blew his brains out he spends most of his time at his casinos. Wow, sorry for my comments then. Sounds like you do have a huckster on your hands! FWIW, I think my only differing opinion would be that I wouldn't call them out publicly, I'd just quit spending my money there. That's my personal philosophy. I won't reward poor business practices with money, no matter HOW much I need whatever it is. I do stop short of actually saying anything publicly because, in my opinion, I would only make myself look bad.
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