I have been Looking at a Super Black Hawk on another Post,
Could a 10.5" 44mag Like this be TAMED down for a Person
With Recoil Issues, And STILL Have a Gun that is Usable For
Hunting Deer ?
Say out to 75-100 yards
I Know that RELOADING Is the Only way In this Case BUT.
WHAT ARE YOUR Thuoghts on this ?
Would I be better Off Going with a Smaller Caliber Black Hawk ?

A 10 1/2 bbl will be a little tamer than a 7 1/2, and a scope can make a tremendous differance, because of the extra weight. I had a SBH once that came magna-ported and that reduced the recoil too, but the blast, noise and powder residue blowing backwards made it unpleasant for me. But I scoped my 7 1/2 SBH last week with a Bushnell 2x6 a freind gave me and it feels like it cut felt recoil by close to 50%. I'm shooting 305grn hardcast Buffalo Bore and it feels like a respectable 44 special. I'm still amazed at the differance.

Well sure: add weight = less felt recoil. Plus add muzzle brake. You can "tame" it as much as you want.

Some here "tame" the big recoiling single shots so much that they can use a rifle scope on it.

It's all in HOW MUCH you want to do to it.

lower power reloads or some .44 special loads will tame it some . then there is porting or muzzle brake. try a box of .44 special first same idea as shooting .38 in a .357

Porting or a brake should be your last resort. 44 Special +P loads will kill deer out to 75 yards, and will be more pleasant to shoot.

Go with a WFN or SWC bullet and then you can load it down to 950 fps-1000 fps.

OK So for Low Recoil , As I thought I need to Hand Load down
to Around 1000 fps .
I Need to Stay With the 10.5 Barrel
A Good Scope and Mount, All ADD UP.
What is the NORMAL FPS for this Type of Gun ?
Would Something Like a 300grn XTP JHP work out to 100 yards?
I Have a Super 14 in 45-70, A 300jhp at 1500 fps It Shoots Great,
A 325 Leverlution at 1750 It Hurts Like H!@@

Would you consider the SRH over the SBH... Then scoping it and possible magnaporting it?

Well at this point I Havent Put Eather one in my Hand.
So Yes I would conceder It.
But the NMS Black Hawk in a Post here Started me on This DETOUR.
looking at Rugers Sight I like The 7.5 Better Just on Looks.
What Would the Advantage's for SRH Be ?

You are really pushing the performance envelope by reducing the MV down to a 1000 fps. I think you'd do alot better by getting some good grips like, Hogue Tamers or Pachmayr Decelerators. Also, you can get a good shooting glove. The combination of the two will greatly reduce felt recoil. I shoot a Ruger SRH in 454 Casull which dwarfs the 44 mag in recoil and by using the combo I've suggested to you, my 454 is now pleasantly tamed. The gloves were $20 and the grips about $25 thru Midway (online). This way you can still use full power ammo, extend your range to 100yds and make humane kills. I don't want to sound like a nag but, where you put the bullet is so important. Good hunting!

Honestly, if you load it down to 1000 fps, you probably won't have any issues with a stock SBH in 7.5". Mine with the Bisley grip is really not all that abusive at this load level. Of course, your tolerance may be different than mine, and keep in mind that as you get better at using it, and as you refine your grip, the felt recoil will be reduced. Adding weight will work, of course, but so will refining and practicing grip and stance/position. I am a newbie to revolvers but even after only a few hundred rounds, I have found this to be true.

Here's a different thought,ever consider the 41mag?IMO it is as efficent as the 44 ,kills well,and easier on recoil.Just a thought.

Try the Hogue mono grip. It will make a world of difference in felt recoil. Shoot 44 special loads, do alot of dry fire practice. You must remember that any big bore revolver is going to recoil, just relax and shoot alot! Recoil should not enter your mind when shooting!

Flingwinger at this point I am Looking at what can
Safely be Done.
As I Said Above I am Thinking of "Buying" a SBH.
I have NO Info Other than What is here so far.
It was Suggested above to Load down to 1000fps.
I AM OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTION'S and Ideals
YOU Guys Allways Have Good INFO !

I Would NEVER Take Any GUN That I Personaly am NOT
Comfortable OR Capable of Shooting To HUNT ANY CRITTER !

The 45-70 Mentioned Above , I Retreived The Bullets
That I Shot and Weighed and Measured , AND Then Checked
With Several People to make sure IT Would Do the Job.
I will PRACTICE MORE BEFORE -I- Take it Hunting
At this point I Am Hitting a 6" Target 4 out of 5
At 100, Every Thing is in side of 8" From a REST.
I will use a rest Hunting.
I Allready Know a Rest is a MUST For ME at this Distance.

The Options From RUGER in SS ARE
SBH Hunter 44 7.5
SBH 44 7.5,10.5
BH 357 6.5
SRH 44 9.5
454 7.5
RH 44 7.5
45 4

The SBH in 7.5 - 10.5 ,OR The SRH in 9.5 Appeal
the Best to ME.

T/C Man
Please Give me more Info on RH vs BH per your Suggestion.

Downloading will do the trick. You don't need to push the .44 to make it effective. Most factory loads nowadays are pretty mild (compared to what they used to be). One that comes to mind is the 300 grain Hornady XTP load. Shooting it in 430man's 10-inch SBH it is really mild and I don't think that one is running much over 1,200 fps.

If you wear hearing and eye protection, like everyone should, I would suggest either porting or a brake. Porting will reduce probably 20% felt recoil and a brake will reduce 40% or more depending on the brake. With a 7 1/2"-10" barrel, scope and a good brake...the recoil would hardly be noticed. Even with the heaviest loads.

KRal is right! A good brake should do the trick.

Mike S,I don't think you would want to handload the 300X.T.P. down to 1000f.p.s. I don't know if you would get reliable expansion but using a WFN or SWC you don't have to worry about attaining enough speed for expansion and loaded down to this speed it should be very mild shooting so you wouldn't really need pac. grips or a shooting glove but they wouldn't hurt anything to have .Brian Pearce(handloader journal) talks about some of his loads being in the neighborhood of 850f.p.s. with a WFN or SWC and shooting completely through deer and other critters .

Excellent point made by John about an underpowered XTP. Trust me on that one, it can leave you tracking endless bloodtrails! Took 3 different times in a muzzleloader to figure what was going on. Looked up on Hornady and the XTP needs to be screaming to expand. My bullets were hardly penatrating. One of the shots was under 50 yards, broadside.

Mr. Mike, IMHO, my SRH has less recoil than my SBH with the same load… But that is my opinion. LOL

The users on this wonderful forum have already stated what I was thinking! Get it ported and get a nice set of grips. If you really want to get creative get a RH in 41 Mag. I think that would really help with recoil… That is great suggestion Cotton!

Just a thought, and I have gotten in trouble for stating this before… A 44 Mag shooting a 240gr bullet at 1000fps is a 44 SP… which is like shooting a 45 ACP. You can nit pick it, justify it, quote what others have done, but from what my reloading books tell me, they are basically the same. Again, JMHO... Sorry if it offends anyone…

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There is nothing wrong with practicing with 44sp's, "I" would just prefer not to hunt with them. Again, that is JMHO...

I am with TC Man, get a Super Red Hawk in either a 7.5 ot 9.5 Inch. Add Hogue TAMER Grips. They have a Smurf Blue insert down the back to soak up recoil. Then load with 240 grain Hollow Points or Soft Points. If you can shoot a Super14 in 45-70, you will have no problem at all with a 240 grain maximum load from a Super Red Hawk with Tamer Grips.

IMHO: Go ahead and shoot a buddy's .475 or .500 Linebaugh a couple of cylinderfuls; you will gladly shoot the little .44 magnum with glee (what recoil??) after that!!

I have a SBH with 5.5 barrel and Hogues' mono grip, my wife can shoot it with little problem, with a 200 grain cast bullet going over 1500 fps.

I assume the longer barrel and scope would take it even less recoil.

LOL, you couldn't be more right! Start the session off with a shot or two from my .50 Alaskan and you don't feel anything afterwards!

I hate recoil myself also but wanted a revolver to hunt with. I played with some friends Bisley 45 LC and had to have one. Actually I wound up with 2 and now have a Bisley 45lc 7.5" and a 44 Bisley hunter. I am shooting 250gr hard cast at 1150 fps in the 44 and have no issues with recoil but I found that if I grip it like I am trying to prevent recoil it hurts. From my experience I would suggest a 44 bisley hunter (For the weight and scope mounts)and start shooting it at the 44 spl. levels and work your way up to what is acceptable to you and learn to shoot it. Watch the videos of John Linebaugh shooting those monsters of his. He isnt superman or a freak that enjoys pain. He has profected his shooting technique.

I just got Home from Cabelas.
They had a SBH, SBH Hunter, SRH
All in 7.5 Barrels.
From this little Trip I Like the Feel of the SRH , SBH H
The Hunter Felt more Balanced and has more Mass to help
With Recoil.
The SRH has more of a Bull Barrel and felt simuler to the
Hunter
Both Have scope Ring Grooves in them.
I wish they had the 10.5" to try.

I have been REREADING all the Info You Have Given Me.
It seems that Most say use a Lead Type bullet.
I Have Allways used Some Sort of Semi Jacketed Bullet,
All Factory Type stuff.
I Would Think a Hollow Point is Ideal for a HandGun,
BUT Since I am NEW to This Area of Hunting , What Do you Think of Semi Jacketed ?

Semi jacketed will work fine on medium sized game.

I like a JSP bullet for most of my stuff. Most of my stuff is plus 40 caliber so expansion is not an issue. I don't like to run naked lead, period. If you could put an evening gown on a hard cast I would dance. The Speer JSP's or Hornady XTP's or XTP Mag's work just fine for whities and blackies. Elephants may require special WFNGCBFHofL bullets from the master caster ;-)

YMMV

But naked is nice......

Mike S.
I got a 10.5 44 a couple of weeks ago with hogue grips.Recoil with 240 gr. factory ammo is not bad ,but I tried some 300gr.yesterday ,they bite and roll.they were speer 300gr .sp.loaded with 17.5gr. 2400,21.5gr4227,21.5gr H110.All are below max in my manuels.I also have a 45-70 12 inch with brake that i shoot with 300 gr. bullets .Recoil is a realitive
thing and the older we get the more relative it becomes.I'me a 1952 model myself.10 rounds or so with either gun is enough at a time ,after that bad habits start to sneak in.A scope and some kind of brake would both be worthwhile additions. Good luck with what ever you get.

Thanks Every One For the GREAT INFO and YOUR TIME !

Now if that BONUS Check WOULD GET HERE !

If Any ONE Has More Info, Thoughts, ECT .
Please Share With Me/Us .

As mentioned above short practice session often will do more good than a long session with many rounds. When I first started bow hunting I would come home after work and shoot maybe 20 arrows in the back yard every day. That did more for me than 200 arrows on a Saturday afternoon. 20 quality shots when fresh and calm are worth more than any long practice session that developes bad habbits. Elmer Kieth use to shoot very hot 44 specil loads from a Single Action Army that I can only imagine had stout recoil. Be he did not shoot a huge amount throughout the year.

Ditto on what Tigger said!!!

Mike, shot you a PM also....

Someone mentioned that loading the 300 down to 1000 may not be a great idea due to expansion issues. I've found that the larger XTPs don't really expand all that much on deer anyway. Especially the mag versions. Even running the mag version at over 1600 in a 454 and shooting lengthwise through a deer at 115 yards, it still didn't expand much according to the hole that it exited through. I don't run the big guns hard all the time, I have the ability if wanted but its not really necessary for most applications in my opinion. When the bullet is starting out at .43 to .51, how much expansion beyond that are you really needing? I run my 475 and 500s in the 1100 fps range. They don't have to be run full bore to be effective. I shot a 225 pound Merino last year at 95 yards with a 285 grain Keith style slug out of my 454 Casull. At the shot, the first thing to hit the ground was his head. The bullet entered the juncture of the neck (he was looking at me slightly quartered to the left) and exited the ribcage on the right side about mid way back. It messed up a lot on the way through. The load from that 7.5" Freedom Arms was moving along at a sizzling 900 fps from the muzzle. A 8 year old could shoot that load its so light and I've yet to have the 900-1150 fps loads not perform. Want to guess how much "expansion" I probably got with that one

Fast forward to this Spring, I shot a 100 pound Fallow Doe at about 105 yards with the same 454. This load was a 260 FA bullet leaving the muzzle at 1890 fps. When it hit her, it sounded like a baseball bat hitting a tree. She spun around to see what bit her and about the time I was ready to send the second one downrange, she flipped backwards and never moved again. Strangely enough, this is the first animal that has ever been standing after that gun hit them regardless of the speed of the bullet. Been a good run with them hitting the dirt up to that point

But, the other thing that was really strange was the bullet didn't exit, its the only slug I've ever recovered. The bullet retained 70% of its weight but didn't exit. It went dead through the center of the front shoulder and I think the bone disrupted the flight and probably turned the bullet causing the base to hit the skin on the offside trying to exit. I bet the skin stretched two feet out on the other side but it did not exit. I guess this was a long way to try and describe how just because a bullet is moving along at cruise missile velocities, it doesn't necessarily make it better. Get a good heavy duty slug and run it at the comfort level that you are happy. If a 270-300 at 1000 makes you happy, get after it and find the happy distance that you and the gun are comfortable with and go hunting!

Its always interesting to see what others think of different gripframes. The double actions to me put much more impact on the wrist when I shoot the heavy loads. Where the single action Super frame makes it much more pleasant by rolling it up and not straight back. All of the big guns 475 and 500, are usually built with the bisley gripframe, all of mine are. While it works well, I still feel that the Freedom Arms gripframe is just about as good as it can get for me personally. I can shoot whatever you put in that one and its less noticeable to me than the bisley with the same loads but I still have more bisley's than anything if you look in the safe. Just different for different people. If you are ever in the vicinity of KC, give me a shout and we'll throw some lead down a few different guns and let you make up your own mind. How they feel at the gun counter and how they react when they are shot are not the same to me. The 10.5" Super is a pussycat to shoot in my opinion. As for velocity in that gun, with the 313 grain RCBS slug, it ran about 1430 out of that gun. Not needed but that is the load that I tried in it first and it shot so well, I didn't mess with it

The 240 XTP was about 1550 or so if my memory is not messing with me today....

Tigger, thanks for the tip on the short practice sessions. I've been trying to practice more, but after more than about 20 rounds my patterns start to open up and my hands begin to get fatigued. But, I was soldering on, throwing more rounds down range trying to make it better. I'll cut back on length of individual sessions, and go out more often. (I am practicing with the same 305 hardcast I hunt with, so the practice sessions are not with light loads)

320 gr boolit is running 1316 fps, I don't know what the 310 or 330 gr are doing. But will be close.