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Need help deciding #73240 08/10/2010 1:22 PM
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I want to get a ruger super redhawk but can't decide if I should get a 44 mag or a 454 casull. I understand that the 454 is going to kick more, but I would probably be using 45 colts most of the time. But, I would have the option of something more powerful if I ever need it. The 44 would be tamer and cheaper. Most of my shooting would be target shooting/deer hunting. Also, I do reload. Any pros and/or cons for both would greatly be appreciated.

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Without any knowledge of your prior experience with hunting handguns, one is disadvantaged in giving advise to you. However, presuming that you do not have a "big arsenal" of these types, I would recommend the 44. There actually is very little that will encountered on this continent that cannot be handled with a properly loaded 44.


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I second the 44 as the gun to get you will not be under gunned hunting deer with this round. Remember bigger is not always better I have seen more then one guy at the gun club with a larger caliber handgun that after shooting it started to develop a bad flinch. Start out with a 44 get comfortable with this first then if you want to move up do so.

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I would prefer the .454 to the .44. More versatile in my opinion. YOu can load it up or down -- down to .44 levels (even though that's not fair as the .454 still has the distinct advantage of diameter), or up to levels the .44 cannot attain. I like .45s more than .429s, but that's just me -- and I do own both.


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Re: Need help deciding [Re: Whitworth] #73248 08/10/2010 3:55 PM
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I like 44s, but the 454 would be more versitile.

Although, in a SRH 44, you can shoot Buffalo Bore's +P+ round that puts out almost 1700foot pounds of energy, which is equal to all but the hottest 454 rounds.

454 would be a bigger hole.

You really can't lose with either one.

The 44 will give you a better choice of factory offerings.

All things said....since you reload....I'd get a 480.

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.454 casull/45 colt,bigger diameter,you can load down or up-versitility


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If I reloaded, I think I would go for the 480 also. I'd love to have one but couldn't afford to shoot like I'd like to. I shoot the .44 in a SBH. This will be my first year to hunt with it tho.


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Neither, get a 480. They are on sale right now at CDNN for $479. If you roll your own it isn't that costly.

Second choice is partially on your list, the 45LC. I don't know how well it shoots in the 454 cylinder, but it has plenty of power, and size, to kill big critters.


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 Originally Posted By: Whitworth
I would prefer the .454 to the .44. More versatile in my opinion. YOu can load it up or down -- down to .44 levels (even though that's not fair as the .454 still has the distinct advantage of diameter), or up to levels the .44 cannot attain. I like .45s more than .429s, but that's just me -- and I do own both.


I agree with what Whitworths has suggested, with the two calibers you have listed.

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Neither, get a 480. They are on sale right now at CDNN for $479. If you roll your own it isn't that costly.

Second choice is partially on your list, the 45LC. I don't know how well it shoots in the 454 cylinder, but it has plenty of power, and size, to kill big critters.


On the other hand, s4s4u has a great suggestion with his option.

By the way, I own all three calibers and love them all.


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Re: Need help deciding [Re: KRal] #73295 08/11/2010 11:37 PM
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I am going to use Tiggers answer...

BUY ALL THREE!!!!!!

With that being said I have to ask the questions already asked... How much experience do you have in handgun shooting and what is the intended game. "I" would say for a first handgun go with the 44. If you go with the 454 and find it is too much it could leave you with a really bad experience. You can shoot 45's out of the 454, but from what I have heard you will loose accuracy.

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The .44 Magnum will do everything you describe, plus some, at less cost and greater availability. You can't go wrong with it.

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I like the idea of the .454 if needed, and loading down if not.

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you can buy 44 mag ammo anywhere, if you handload you can run cast bullet's with recoil you can handle, you don't need to push it mach 10 to get the job done. the casull is a lot of gun for most folk's

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On the same token you don't have to push the .454 hard to get the job done either, and all things being "equal," the .454 is simply starting out with more even at subdued velocities. I am not a fan of hyper-loaded .454s, for me -- for that much recoil you can have a .475.


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 Originally Posted By: Whitworth
On the same token you don't have to push the .454 hard to get the job done either, and all things being "equal," the .454 is simply starting out with more even at subdued velocities. I am not a fan of hyper-loaded .454s, for me -- for that much recoil you can have a .475.




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In my opinion you cannot go wrong with a Super RedHawk in any Caliber if you reload. With Hogue Tamer Grips all 3 chamberings should be manageable for most with warm loads. The 44 and 45 are a little cheaper to buy bullets for. As I cast my own bullets, it makes very little difference between a 44, 454, or 480 as far as expense to shoot. Reloading you can turn the power level up or down at will, so recoil can be manageable with a 454 or 480.
With a Super RedHawk their is no wrong answer. You will just have to pick one. I have a 44 and 2 each 480's. I shoot the 480's the most.


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The 44 is a very good choice.

Like TC Man stated buy all three!!!! Hee Hee Hee (that's an evil laugh)
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 Originally Posted By: Tigger
The 44 is a very good choice.

Like TC Man stated buy all three!!!! Hee Hee Hee (that's an evil laugh)
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Can't argue with that logic!! LOL!


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Re: Need help deciding [Re: TCTex.] #73321 08/13/2010 12:02 AM
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I had the 454
Too much gun for me
Id opt for the 44 or 480

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Jimbo,

The 44 will do everything most everybody wants to do in the CONUS (lower 48). It does it efficiently, and at a reasonable cost, with ammo just about everywhere. Sometimes "bigger" is not always better! Loads from mild to ferocious are commonly available. Just my 2 cents.

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 Originally Posted By: doc with a glock
Jimbo,

The 44 will do everything most everybody wants to do in the CONUS (lower 48). It does it efficiently, and at a reasonable cost, with ammo just about everywhere. Sometimes "bigger" is not always better! Loads from mild to ferocious are commonly available. Just my 2 cents.

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Same as the 45 Colt

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SRH in .44. Stoke it with 320 gr boolits for hunting and 240 gr XTP's for targets, both super accurate.
The .454 can be a reloading nightmare and .45 brass is not accurate in the .454 chamber. No short case is as good like a .44 special in a mag, a .38 in a .357 or a .480 in a .475. Sure, they shoot but accuracy really suffers. Load down the .454 and why not just buy a .45? Many factory .454 loads will give you grief.
I have funny thoughts that cause friction. One is there is not much worth a thing for hunting between the .22 and .44. The other is the same feelings between the .44 and .475.
If you have a .22 pistol, a .44 and a .475, there is just no need for anything else. All the rest is just fun because those three will do it all.

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44mag will give you the most variety of factory loadings by ffaaarrrrrrrr.

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 Originally Posted By: 430man
SRH in .44. Stoke it with 320 gr boolits for hunting and 240 gr XTP's for targets, both super accurate.
The .454 can be a reloading nightmare and .45 brass is not accurate in the .454 chamber. No short case is as good like a .44 special in a mag, a .38 in a .357 or a .480 in a .475. Sure, they shoot but accuracy really suffers. Load down the .454 and why not just buy a .45? Many factory .454 loads will give you grief.
I have funny thoughts that cause friction. One is there is not much worth a thing for hunting between the .22 and .44. The other is the same feelings between the .44 and .475.
If you have a .22 pistol, a .44 and a .475, there is just no need for anything else. All the rest is just fun because those three will do it all.


What nightmares are you refering to?
Just curious, as before I bought mine, my research found little if any negatives. And the one I have, don't seem fickle at all. It has acceptable accuracy with all the loads I have fed it. From 255's to double round balls to to 400 grs. from light to heavy charges.
I agree that the .45 Colt's short case don't shoot the best, but then there is no need to when you reload. Shoot the Casull case and load it down if you want Colt performance if thats want you need at that time.
I also agree the .44 mag will do as well on deer, and the 320 gr. will do fine on most bigger critters. For me though, I prefer the extra sectional density and displacement of the .45's 395 or 400 gr. on larger critters, specially if they are the ones that might bite.

Dave

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If I were making the choice, I would get the 454. I have had several of each. The SRH 454's have a very strong recoil. It is downright unpleasant for me, but, hand loads tame it, while still giving you the option of a full strength load. YMMV.


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The Super Redhawk is a double action and the felt recoil is always worse with with a double action. The FA or Bisley grip is the best at taming the felt recoil IME & IMHO

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 Originally Posted By: 430man
If you have a .22 pistol, a .44 and a .475, there is just no need for anything else. All the rest is just fun because those three will do it all.


IMO, comments like this should be banned from the site. A guy's wife my read that, for cryin' out loud!

Oh, and the question is not, "Which one should I get?" rather it's "Which one should I get FIRST."

Get the smallest first, then you can say "Well, honey, as my skills have grown I need and can use more range and power."

These things require forethought, planning, and TEAMWORK. Let's all try to remember that we want to promote handgun hunting and craft our posts accordingly.

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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA... LOL!!!!


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Thanks to all for your excellent advice! After reading all the responses, I believe I am going to look at the Bisley Hunter model in 44mag.

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 Originally Posted By: RickL
 Originally Posted By: 430man
If you have a .22 pistol, a .44 and a .475, there is just no need for anything else. All the rest is just fun because those three will do it all.


IMO, comments like this should be banned from the site. A guy's wife my read that, for cryin' out loud!

Oh, and the question is not, "Which one should I get?" rather it's "Which one should I get FIRST."

Get the smallest first, then you can say "Well, honey, as my skills have grown I need and can use more range and power."

These things require forethought, planning, and TEAMWORK. Let's all try to remember that we want to promote handgun hunting and craft our posts accordingly.

Rick

Heck, you NEED a lot of guns for fun. All I was saying is for general work and hunting, mostly on a fixed budget, those will do it all.

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SRH in .44. Stoke it with 320 gr boolits for hunting and 240 gr XTP's for targets, both super accurate.
The .454 can be a reloading nightmare and .45 brass is not accurate in the .454 chamber. No short case is as good like a .44 special in a mag, a .38 in a .357 or a .480 in a .475. Sure, they shoot but accuracy really suffers. Load down the .454 and why not just buy a .45? Many factory .454 loads will give you grief.
I have funny thoughts that cause friction. One is there is not much worth a thing for hunting between the .22 and .44. The other is the same feelings between the .44 and .475.
If you have a .22 pistol, a .44 and a .475, there is just no need for anything else. All the rest is just fun because those three will do it all.


What nightmares are you refering to?
Just curious, as before I bought mine, my research found little if any negatives. And the one I have, don't seem fickle at all. It has acceptable accuracy with all the loads I have fed it. From 255's to double round balls to to 400 grs. from light to heavy charges.
I agree that the .45 Colt's short case don't shoot the best, but then there is no need to when you reload. Shoot the Casull case and load it down if you want Colt performance if thats want you need at that time.
I also agree the .44 mag will do as well on deer, and the 320 gr. will do fine on most bigger critters. For me though, I prefer the extra sectional density and displacement of the .45's 395 or 400 gr. on larger critters, specially if they are the ones that might bite.

Dave

Biggest problem we found with the .454 is the SR primer.
Next is a lot of factory loads will pull bullets and lock the gun. This drives us nuts because no other caliber will do that with the same factory loads.
My hand loads do not pull but it can get dangerous working loads with 296 and H110 because of failed ignition so you need to load full bore loads all the time. Going to a faster powder from 2400 down, just gives you a .45 Colt.
Going to cut down .460 brass with a LP mag primer solved all the load problems. It also increased accuracy 100%.
I hate .454 brass by itself, not the caliber. I hate factory loads other then Freedom loads. Never tried Hornady so I can't comment.
If you don't know what you are doing when loading, it IS a problem.

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 Originally Posted By: 430man
...No short case is as good like a .44 special in a mag, a .38 in a .357 or a .480 in a .475. Sure, they shoot but accuracy really suffers. Load down the .454 and why not just buy a .45? Many factory .454 loads will give you grief. ...


In general I bet this is true, but my wife shoots the lights out with .38 Spl SWC's in a .357 US Arms Cimmaron. It' depends on the gun some too I guess.


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"All I was saying is for general work and hunting, mostly on a fixed budget, those will do it all. "

Damn it man, you're doing it again!

Rick

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SRH in .44. Stoke it with 320 gr boolits for hunting and 240 gr XTP's for targets, both super accurate.
The .454 can be a reloading nightmare and .45 brass is not accurate in the .454 chamber. No short case is as good like a .44 special in a mag, a .38 in a .357 or a .480 in a .475. Sure, they shoot but accuracy really suffers. Load down the .454 and why not just buy a .45? Many factory .454 loads will give you grief.
I have funny thoughts that cause friction. One is there is not much worth a thing for hunting between the .22 and .44. The other is the same feelings between the .44 and .475.
If you have a .22 pistol, a .44 and a .475, there is just no need for anything else. All the rest is just fun because those three will do it all.


What nightmares are you refering to?
Just curious, as before I bought mine, my research found little if any negatives. And the one I have, don't seem fickle at all. It has acceptable accuracy with all the loads I have fed it. From 255's to double round balls to to 400 grs. from light to heavy charges.
I agree that the .45 Colt's short case don't shoot the best, but then there is no need to when you reload. Shoot the Casull case and load it down if you want Colt performance if thats want you need at that time.
I also agree the .44 mag will do as well on deer, and the 320 gr. will do fine on most bigger critters. For me though, I prefer the extra sectional density and displacement of the .45's 395 or 400 gr. on larger critters, specially if they are the ones that might bite.

Dave

Biggest problem we found with the .454 is the SR primer.
Next is a lot of factory loads will pull bullets and lock the gun. This drives us nuts because no other caliber will do that with the same factory loads.
My hand loads do not pull but it can get dangerous working loads with 296 and H110 because of failed ignition so you need to load full bore loads all the time. Going to a faster powder from 2400 down, just gives you a .45 Colt.
Going to cut down .460 brass with a LP mag primer solved all the load problems. It also increased accuracy 100%.
I hate .454 brass by itself, not the caliber. I hate factory loads other then Freedom loads. Never tried Hornady so I can't comment.
If you don't know what you are doing when loading, it IS a problem.


Thanks for letting me know what you were running into! I know the small rifle primer has issues with lighter dose's of the slower powders. I didnt consider that much a problem, because I was either going to load it on the high end, or load it down with 2400. The bullets pulling on recoil isn't the cartridge's fault, that's a factory crimp issue.But again thanks for the headsup on that, as I hadn't heard that before. But that's why I reload my own, so I know what is. (thats not saying i cant and haven't screwed up however)
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I have considered and do like the thought of cutting down .460 brass for the LP mag primmer, but moreso in case the SR become hard to get when I need them. Also I shoot out of the Encore,and it's throat is a tad long. But it shoots well enough for my intended use and range requirements.

Dave

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just haven't had probs with the w296 or h110 loads, i can go with 300 grain bullets from 1400fps to over 1700fps and i do not have any probs with jumping crimp. i crimp aggressively and use rcbs dies which provide a touch more case tension, you can tell visually, hornady factory loads are very accurate out of any of my 454's. someone earlier said you can do it all with a .22 a .44 and a .475, well you can do the same exact thing with a .22 and a .454 if ya want. bullet pull issues are gone with hardcast bullets by loading 300 grain loads down to 1600fps or less, and i've had 340's up over 1700fps without pull issues. 2400 will give ya some nice mid to upper range loads above what a hot 45 colt will do.


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