We have another deer taken with the Lee cast .50 cal.440gr.flatpoint,1270+f.p.s..Deer went down quick again 45 yards with massive blood loss/easy trail to follow if it had been dark and you didn't see where the deer went down.We will post pictures of deer/wounds soon,too tired to do now as I've been also skinning out customers heads so its time for a break.This is with heat treated bullets(hard)too,so far I'm impressed,these two deer have gone down as fast/and the blood loss is just as good as the hollowpoints I've always used,but the other benefit is complete penetration .