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Whats a better choice......... #79230 12/03/2010 11:49 PM
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I finally got my Encore 243 pistol in the woods this year and I had a massive 10pt with 8" browtines walk within 20ft of me in my treestand. I had a sappling to the right of me which stopped me from taking aim. He got about 10ft from me sniffed and got spooked. He ran off to about 60yrds and stopped to look around. I still couldnt get a shot because he came in with 2 does which one of them was still behind me and I didnt want her to blow. So I eased the pistol around the sappling but now Im fighting the eye relief on my scope. By the time I get it together he vanished. With that under my belt , my thoughts were to put open sights on the gun but then I would be short changing it so I decided to go with a good 50yrd round with open sights. Im thinking about the 45LC but since you guys got me into this Handgun Hunting thing I thought I would ask the Handgun guru's. Which one would be a good choice the 45LC or the 44 mag? Thx again for the advice!

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Bigger holes hurt more, so I prefer the 45LC. It would be a viable option out to 100 yards with an UltraDot.


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hard to argue the 45 against the 44 mag, i don't own a 45- but I have several 44's either c'tridge is more than adequate for the short stuff, and don't sweat the long shot's that's why we carry singleshots

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either one with a hunting type load. it wouldn't make any difference that is worth talking about.

sometimes one can get away from you, even with a rifle. but....without being there under the circumstances....i would have recommended removing the sapling prior, and practicing extensively with that scope beforehand. if he had time to run 60yrds, it seems you woulda had time to take a good aim n fire, or be ready when he stopped n turned, or even made some vocal noise yourself to get him to stop and look. with that in process, i would not have given those does a second thought. you have got to make quick decisions and get on for the shot. with him getting away anyway, those does were near meaningless.

my memory fails me. what scope did you put on the .243?

if one is going to hunt with a handgun and be successful, you have got to be willing to miss an opportunity from time to time as well. keep at it and you will succed. i promise you it will be worth it.

just some of my thoughts....but i wasn't there....


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 Originally Posted By: KYODE
either one with a hunting type load. it wouldn't make any difference that is worth talking about.

sometimes one can get away from you, even with a rifle. but....without being there under the circumstances....i would have recommended removing the sapling prior, and practicing extensively with that scope beforehand. if he had time to run 60yrds, it seems you woulda had time to take a good aim n fire, or be ready when he stopped n turned, or even made some vocal noise yourself to get him to stop and look. with that in process, i would not have given those does a second thought. you have got to make quick decisions and get on for the shot. with him getting away anyway, those does were near meaningless.

my memory fails me. what scope did you put on the .243?

if one is going to hunt with a handgun and be successful, you have got to be willing to miss an opportunity from time to time as well. keep at it and you will succed. i promise you it will be worth it.

just some of my thoughts....but i wasn't there....


I was wondering if you were gonna chime in! I put a Burris 3x12 on her . As for the does I quess you could say I didnt wanna spook anything. Cutting the sapplings down would b like cutting a tree down, they are 5" in diameter. I put my stand there to keep me from getting skylined but it cost me this time. This is the second time Ive seen this deer, the first time I over shot him so I decided to take it slow and place the shot which didnt happen.

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Between the 44 and 45.....do you reload? If so, I would suggest going with the 45LC; bigger bullet, heavier bullet's available, more case capacity and so on. If you don't load your own; I'd suggest the 44. Lots more factory offerings in hunting loads. All that being said, I load my own and I have both calibers. Currently trying to break in a new 44...
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I agree with Kral. If you reload you have some options to choose from. If you don't then you still have some options. Ammo made by Grizzly, Buffalo Bore, Cor Bon is worth taking a look at. Either way I don't think you could go wrong. The only advantage is that you might find a better selection of handguns chambered for the 44 mag. than the 45 colt.

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ahhhhh.....5" might be a lil more than a sapling....lol.

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I put a Burris 3x12 on her


while that is a great scope and fitting on a .243....for close range encounters the 2x7 model is much more forgiving and easier to get "on". it is enough that may have made the difference in this case. i would recommend it, if you continue to hunt the woods.


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 Originally Posted By: KYODE
ahhhhh.....5" might be a lil more than a sapling....lol.

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I put a Burris 3x12 on her


while that is a great scope and fitting on a .243....for close range encounters the 2x7 model is much more forgiving and easier to get "on". it is enough that may have made the difference in this case. i would recommend it, if you continue to hunt the woods.


Exactly!


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Trim the limbs back to give you beeter shooting lans, no need to cut the whole tree down

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 Originally Posted By: KYODE
either one with a hunting type load. it wouldn't make any difference that is worth talking about.


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we learn a lot more from the deer we don't kill than the ones we do. You had a mature buck inside 10 yds ,thats fun. I applaude the fact that you didn't rush the shot.Don't second guess yourself, Nothing is worse than drawing blood and not recovering the deer ,and it happens even with shots that seem perfect. Sometimes the deer wins ,give him a salute or tip of the hat ,and start planning for next time.


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 Originally Posted By: KYODE
ahhhhh.....5" might be a lil more than a sapling....lol.

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I put a Burris 3x12 on her


while that is a great scope and fitting on a .243....for close range encounters the 2x7 model is much more forgiving and easier to get "on". it is enough that may have made the difference in this case. i would recommend it, if you continue to hunt the woods.


Im gonna continue to hunt the woods, theres no doubt in my mind! So what your saying is sell the 3x12 and go to a 2x7?

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 Originally Posted By: junebug
we learn a lot more from the deer we don't kill than the ones we do. You had a mature buck inside 10 yds ,thats fun. I applaude the fact that you didn't rush the shot.Don't second guess yourself, Nothing is worse than drawing blood and not recovering the deer ,and it happens even with shots that seem perfect. Sometimes the deer wins ,give him a salute or tip of the hat ,and start planning for next time.


I lost a deer once and I told myself then it wasnt gonna happen again. To me thats the worst feeling is knowing that you have a wounded animal running around in the woods because of you.

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I hunt the woods too,not much open area on the farm.I carry a scoped primary gun .308 .35 rem. .358 j.d.j.and a 4 5/8 or 5 1/2 ruger .45. Short range and long are covered ,short being 50 and in, long most places 125 is pushing it.I always try to have the scope set on 2 power ,wider field of view ,can crank if up if needed.Take care with shot placement and use the best bullet you can find. You will get him, and if not ,you have had a good time and, he will be bigger next year.


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i'm just saying the 2x7 model is less critical to get on(eye relief etc), and it should help you in close situations. the 3x12 is good....and complements the .243. it is a good bench scope and even good in the field, but the 2x7 is better in some respects.
i would hate to tell you to sell, n it not work for you that way. i have 2 2x7's and several(i forget how many) 3x12's. thats just what i percieve.


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 Originally Posted By: KYODE
i'm just saying the 2x7 model is less critical to get on(eye relief etc), and it should help you in close situations. the 3x12 is good....and complements the .243. it is a good bench scope and even good in the field, but the 2x7 is better in some respects.
i would hate to tell you to sell, n it not work for you that way. i have 2 2x7's and several(i forget how many) 3x12's. thats just what i percieve.


Then thats my next step to swap the 3x12. I love the gun but like you said the 3x12 is grea for bench or open field w/sticks but for those so called "hurry up and get on him shots" You might have a problem. Maybe in the future a 3x12 woould be thee but as of now I need something that doesnt have such a critical eye relief. I know shooting from a bench I couldnt ask for a sweeter gun but in the woods there are no benches.Back to the drawing board!

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others may have differing opinions, but that is mine.

a newbie buddie came over to browse my pistol collection a few days ago. he wanted to decide exactly what he wanted to purchase for his own "deer pistol". he was impressed buy the 2x7 model, as compared to the 3x12 and a trophy 2x6. it must not....be just me....lol.

all are usable, but there are +'s to some.

7x is good nuff you should be able to do ok at the 100 yrd bench for a deer gun. it should be enough x to work at reasonable ranges on deer size stuff, although 12x is great for that.

you might consider a balistic plex model for hash marks at extended ranges. i've never tried one, but i don't shoot much over 200yrds either. couldn't hurt, but might be a few more $.

your 3x12 should sell easily, if you so decide.


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Did You have the scope cranked up, or on its lowest power? Eye relief is alot more critical on higher power and its alot harder to get on something. I use my lowest power at all times, unless the target is totally relaxed , in the open, at over 100 yards.


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 Originally Posted By: badkitty
Did You have the scope cranked up, or on its lowest power? Eye relief is alot more critical on higher power and its alot harder to get on something. I use my lowest power at all times, unless the target is totally relaxed , in the open, at over 100 yards.



I use it on the lowest power which is 3. Anything higher than that and Im screwed.Im also thinking of trying a Burris Fast fire 2 w/ a 2MOA dot. I know it will be short changing the 243 but I really dont see myself shooting over 200yrds. I figure if I can hold atleast a 3" group at 200yrds Im good to go. As it stands now if I do my job correct I can shoot right at a 1" group at 100yrds.

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i will only use 2x when hunting woods or red dot scopes but thats where my hunting area is thick woods.


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 Originally Posted By: dc74
i will only use 2x when hunting woods or red dot scopes but thats where my hunting area is thick woods.



My hunting area is either thick or I could hunt the corn field. but the action is in the thick of it. Thats why I was curious about either the 44 or the 45LC with open sights.As much as I went through to get the 243 where its at I would hate to take it apart.

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I had an old 3-9 and it was hard to shoot. ALL mine are 2-7's now...


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Asquires,

As others have stated, either gun will perform admirably in those range conditions. As a frequent 2-gun hunter, the dilemma is which gun do I grab when the deer appears? I don't know if that big deer was seen suddenly at close range, or if he used the obstacles to get close - but one thing is for sure, a big buck at close range will rattle you and change your well-laid game plan instantly!

All that being said, any excuse to get a new gun is a good one!

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 Originally Posted By: SChunter
Asquires,

As others have stated, either gun will perform admirably in those range conditions. As a frequent 2-gun hunter, the dilemma is which gun do I grab when the deer appears? I don't know if that big deer was seen suddenly at close range, or if he used the obstacles to get close - but one thing is for sure, a big buck at close range will rattle you and change your well-laid game plan instantly!

All that being said, any excuse to get a new gun is a good one!


I heard them coming in but couldnt make out what was coming in. Were I sit theres alot of squirrels and turkeys that roam the are. They came in from the backside and once I got a peek it was too late, they were there! If it wasnt for the one behind me I wouldve had him on the wall by now but I didnt wanna spook any of them. Like I said I feel like I did a good job on how I handled the situation even though my tag is still empty. I didnt panic , I didnt make any unessesary moves and most of all I kept my cool . It was almost to the point if I would have sat there long enough he wouldve came back. As for a excuss to by another gun, Im sry but I like things that go bang but I also want it to fit the bill too. That way if the wife ask I can make the story sound good, lol

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i think your doing your hunting fine. if u are hunting the thick stuff more like me where the deer like to roam then the 44 or 45 will serv you very well hope u the best.


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 Originally Posted By: dc74
i think your doing your hunting fine. if u are hunting the thick stuff more like me where the deer like to roam then the 44 or 45 will serv you very well hope u the best.



Rite on DC, Im still learning too.

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OK fellas, I have a lead on a G1 Contender pistol in a 223 . Is it hard or were can find a 45/410 barrel for it with open sights

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not hard at all can order that any gun store or some my have it in stock cabellas does.


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I have gotten to the point where I dont hear them coming unless I have on electronic muffs. I sit with the scoped gun on my lap and the short gun holstered crossdraw. It dosent take much movement to get to either gun. You dont do much moving around with one gun on your lap and a shooting stick in the stand which I tie in.Need to design some kind of holder for the scoped gun ,all of mine are carried on slings.Most of the scoped guns are 2x6 or 8, but some carry 4x.When things are slow I practice finding squirrels and birds in the scope,keep your eye on the animal and bring the gun up without moveing your eyes it's good practice.A 4 5/8 to 5.5 inch .45 fills the bill nicely for me.The most inmportant thing is to enjoy your time in the woods.


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a 45/410 barrel for it with open sights


If your primary use is going to be shooting bullets at deer, you would be be better off with a 45LC ONLY barrel as the 45/410 is really only worthwhile as a shotgun. It scatters bullets like it does shot.


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 Originally Posted By: s4s4u
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a 45/410 barrel for it with open sights


If your primary use is going to be shooting bullets at deer, you would be be better off with a 45LC ONLY barrel as the 45/410 is really only worthwhile as a shotgun. It scatters bullets like it does shot.


Thats the monster 45LC barrel only!

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 Originally Posted By: asquires2
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a 45/410 barrel for it with open sights


If your primary use is going to be shooting bullets at deer, you would be be better off with a 45LC ONLY barrel as the 45/410 is really only worthwhile as a shotgun. It scatters bullets like it does shot.


Thats the monster 45LC barrel only!


I think those would be from custom makers only. (MGM, SSK, etc) Do I have that right folks?


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There are factory barrels out there in 45LC, but it might be easier to have one made than look for one. Ed's would be as good as any place to start looking for one.


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If you want the .45 for a second gun to carry with the .243, I would look to a revolver of some kind,preferably a ruger. A lot smaller package, less weight, easier to carry. I have had a 10 inch .45 colt for a lot of years, but prefer my rugers for a second gun,just easier to carry ,quicker second shot,easier to get into action in a stand. Try drawing a 10 inch barrel contender from a holster, seated in a tree stand ,then a 4 5/8 ruger both crossdraw. A lot easier and less movement with the ruger.I love my contenders and will never be without one,but not as backup, there are better options out there.


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 Originally Posted By: junebug
If you want the .45 for a second gun to carry with the .243, I would look to a revolver of some kind,preferably a ruger. A lot smaller package, less weight, easier to carry. I have had a 10 inch .45 colt for a lot of years, but prefer my rugers for a second gun,just easier to carry ,quicker second shot,easier to get into action in a stand. Try drawing a 10 inch barrel contender from a holster, seated in a tree stand ,then a 4 5/8 ruger both crossdraw. A lot easier and less movement with the ruger.I love my contenders and will never be without one,but not as backup, there are better options out there.




The 45 wouldnt be a back up, it would be for the thick stuff and the 243 would be when Im hunting the fields. Man this handgun stuff is a blast! You mentioned smaller, Ive got a guy wanting to work something out on him S&W 357 with a 4" barrel. Decisions,decisions!

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i'm all for more guns for you....but there's no reason the .243 can't be used in the woods.


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I have never been a fan of the.357 for hunting deer. I have seen big holes plug up with fat and not bleed much ,but it can happen easier with small holes.I like two holes in my deer ,one in one out when possible, and you get that better with a bigger chunk of lead.I like my small bores for target and small game, but for me ,its been a.45 colt for hunting bigger game for a long time. It gives me more shot options ,dont have to have that perfect broadside shot, although I prefer it,{rather let him walk than put a bullet behind the diaphragm to reach the vitals though]. Just my way ,dont like the mess it makes on meat i'me going to eat. A bigger hole is always better, and there is just something about a .45 colt!!!!!


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I here you Junebug... I also have to remind myself of how many game animals haven’t bled when I shot them with a 54 round ball or a 2 bladed arrow. I am all about the bigger holes, but sometimes those silly game animals forget they were suppose to leave me a blood trail. LOL


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That sure is true ,it seem's a low hole bleeds the best,but if you stop the heart all you get is leakage and not a spray.I have shot holes through the heart with bullets and blades, and how far the deer travels depends on how big a breath he took prior to the shot. Lack of oxygen to the brain is what kills ,not blood loss,and a deer can go a long way on a single breath when the adrenalin kicks in. So I will continue to shoot big bullets and sharp blades and strive for that perfect shot. But nerves and Murphy's Law are always present ,and the deer don't always read the script,especialy the part that says stand still , bleed profusely and lay down right here.


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