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Re: Hunting with a Glock [Re: reflex264] #120161 10/18/2012 4:16 PM
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Intersesting on the reports of the 200. In looking at the velocity performance chart from Hornady, the 200 has the lowest velocity window (700 fps) of all of the acp bullets. So one might conclude it has the thinner jacket design. But it is rated the same as the 230 at the top, 1250 so maybe the jacket is designed thinner at the nose and thicker near the bottem (relatively speaking). If the nose area gets folded back quicker, I could see where this might enhance penetration.

If you do try the Barnes, prepare yourself for one surprise. The base of the bullet is a few thou narrower than the widest spot at the crimp area. You will need some cases that have almost no flare. If you flare a case for a nominal .451 type bullet, when you drop the barnes in, it will "fall" in a pretty long distance ;^) In all my years of reloading, I have never seen a bullet with this type of taper ;^) I checked boxes that I got from a couple of different sources, and they are all this way. But no problems with neck tension and bullet setback. I am using an OAL of 1.235, and they feed like butter in my Colt.

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Re: Hunting with a Glock [Re: Bearbait in NM] #120163 10/18/2012 5:41 PM
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Good to know on the barnes. I can see how that can be helpful in the thick super brass. I read several reports from various shooters that all said the 200XTP seemed tougher. I won't know for sure till I drop the hammer on them. At 1400 they will probably grenade. reflex264


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Re: Hunting with a Glock [Re: reflex264] #120248 10/20/2012 10:38 PM
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I chronied the 185 Unicore today. They are running 1350fps and I can keep shots touching at 25 yards offhand. Point of impact is 3" left of the 185 Nosler. Std deviation was 1fps! extreme spread wwas 2fps! reflex264


"A quiet hit in the right place is better than a loud miss in the wrong place followed by 10 more shots on the run"

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Re: Hunting with a Glock [Re: reflex264] #120326 10/22/2012 12:12 PM
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Shot the 185 unicore off of bags at 50 yards. 2" groups with the glock sights. Bullets hold together just fine. The 230gr unicore shot 3" at 50 yards. The 255 cast shot 3" as well and the point of impact was right on the sights. reflex264


"A quiet hit in the right place is better than a loud miss in the wrong place followed by 10 more shots on the run"

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Re: Hunting with a Glock [Re: reflex264] #120327 10/22/2012 12:13 PM
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The 200xtp at the super velocities doesn't appear to be tough enough. I wonder if the fellers that talked about them being tougher had them up to warp speed. reflex264


"A quiet hit in the right place is better than a loud miss in the wrong place followed by 10 more shots on the run"

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Re: Hunting with a Glock [Re: reflex264] #120453 10/24/2012 3:25 PM
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Reflex,

My guess would be no. As I noted earlier, that bullet is designed (according to Hornady) to open at 700 fps. maybe the reports are from folks hitting critters at slightly longer range, where you would not be taxing the construction quite so badly.

Thanks for the reports on the other bullets. I have decided to use my 230 XTP's this year. I do have the Barnes 185's cooking right along, but the accuracy part needs a lot more testing. I am not sure if it is just my load, or copper build-up, but from a clean barrel they start to group nicely, then seem to go to heck within a handful of shots. If I cannot get them to where I want for hunting, I know I will keep a bunch loaded for my rural personal protection. I do like the idea of having a few bullet choices for different needs.

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Re: Hunting with a Glock [Re: Bearbait in NM] #120463 10/24/2012 10:52 PM
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I am going to test 240 Sierras, The 185 Barnes tac and the 225 Bearthooth this comming week. Making a couple more mods to the gun. Dawson sights, adjustable rear with fiber optic front and a beavertail. reflex264


"A quiet hit in the right place is better than a loud miss in the wrong place followed by 10 more shots on the run"

I was a handgun hunter, when handgun wasn't cool.....
Re: Hunting with a Glock [Re: reflex264] #120473 10/25/2012 5:06 AM
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Reflex,

If it were not for the comp on my 1911, I would absolutely be running the 225 Beartooth. I do not have problems with lead on the ports per se, but the area between the crown and the comp threads is a pain to clean ;^)

In my testing with a lot of bullets in my Rowland, the Beartooth 225 really penetrated well in my wet print testing. And the hole through the wet print was very nice looking. The flat nose, while not as nice as a WFN or LFN does make a reasonable sized hole in wet paper. Never had any significant leading issue at all, even though the amount of lube looks a little "light". I bet you are going to like this bullet.

Along the same lines, right now the most accurate bullet I am finding in my Super testing is the Nosler 230 FMJ FP. It actually shoots better than the XTP's. But, technically it might be illegal to hunt with as it is a FMJ. Second but, the base is exposed so perhaps not technically FULL metal jacket. Third but, it is almost identical to the Beartooth 225 in profile and shape. It is an fmj, but in my hard pack, it penetrated very well, and the flat dose does move some material. It is a long way from ball, and will likley be in my gun when I am thinking bear defense. I need to do a bit more testing with it, to see how the core holds up. What I need is for someone to slap the Nosler jacket on the Beartooth bullet ;^) Flat nose, hard core and jacketed.....

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Re: Hunting with a Glock [Re: Bearbait in NM] #120477 10/25/2012 12:53 PM
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Yep the beartooth looks very promising. I found where several have killed elk with it and got complete penetration and good wound channels.
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Re: Hunting with a Glock [Re: reflex264] #120478 10/25/2012 12:56 PM
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Have you seen this bullet? I was already thinking about ordering them when I found out Rowland is loading the new 230gr Unicore bonded bullet.

http://www.nosler.com/Bullets/Sporting-Handgun-Pistol.aspx


"A quiet hit in the right place is better than a loud miss in the wrong place followed by 10 more shots on the run"

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Re: Hunting with a Glock [Re: reflex264] #120484 10/25/2012 3:31 PM
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Reflex,

I think your link is to the bullet I described by Nosler. In the link, when you choose caliber, only one bullet comes up, the 230 FMJ I noted above. Not sure they make a HP in 230 at .451 diameter. Maybe I am not seeing it. Interesting about the unicore. It would all be so much easier if the only thing I hunted was whitetail. But my deer are a tad bigger. And we have pesky black bears at the ranch ;^)

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Re: Hunting with a Glock [Re: reflex264] #120495 10/25/2012 9:00 PM
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If you order #44922 you get the new jacketed hollow point 230. reflex264

ps-I have read that seperations have occured at 1200fps.

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"A quiet hit in the right place is better than a loud miss in the wrong place followed by 10 more shots on the run"

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Re: Hunting with a Glock [Re: reflex264] #120688 10/29/2012 12:57 PM
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I got the Dawson sights installed this weekend in between hunting with the kiddies. They are awesome! I have it with the factory barrel right beside me. I may tale a pic and post it shortly. reflex264


"A quiet hit in the right place is better than a loud miss in the wrong place followed by 10 more shots on the run"

I was a handgun hunter, when handgun wasn't cool.....
Re: Hunting with a Glock [Re: reflex264] #121577 11/08/2012 11:52 PM
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"A quiet hit in the right place is better than a loud miss in the wrong place followed by 10 more shots on the run"

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Re: Hunting with a Glock [Re: reflex264] #133288 06/14/2013 6:46 PM
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How does the recoil of the 10mm and the Rowland compare to a 44 mag revolver?

Re: Hunting with a Glock [Re: 7dawg9] #133291 06/14/2013 9:04 PM
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The Rowland with their comp kicks like a 9mm or less. The 10mm feels like a stiff .357 to me. The comp really works. reflex264


"A quiet hit in the right place is better than a loud miss in the wrong place followed by 10 more shots on the run"

I was a handgun hunter, when handgun wasn't cool.....
Re: Hunting with a Glock [Re: reflex264] #133299 06/15/2013 12:27 PM
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The comp makes all the difference on the 1911 platform as well. I shot one barrel without the comp until the lower lugs failed on the barrel, and the recoil was more like a 357 out of one of the tiny revolvers. Lots of whip. With comp, you can feel the concussion, but it is very linear back into the wrist and arm.

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I built up a Glock Longslide with a Trijicon RMR on the slide this 6" gun plus compensator will shoot very and 200 grain WFN hardcast bullets are running at 1285 FPS . That combination is deadly on any game up to and including elk.

Then pop the slide put the factory one on and I have defensive gun.

The loan wolf barrel HS tight chamber and really helps with these stout loads and accuracy the long slide assembly also helps with recoil more of push than snap.


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Re: Hunting with a Glock [Re: Ramjet-SS] #157021 03/07/2015 3:14 AM
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I know this post is old.... but great info on your evolution of the hunting Glock reflex24.

Was wondering... how many rounds do you have through your 21 and have you experienced any breakage?

Re: Hunting with a Glock [Re: dave19113] #157051 03/09/2015 12:26 PM
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No breakage and probably 7000-8000 as a super and 5000-6000 as a .460.


"A quiet hit in the right place is better than a loud miss in the wrong place followed by 10 more shots on the run"

I was a handgun hunter, when handgun wasn't cool.....
Re: Hunting with a Glock [Re: reflex264] #157052 03/09/2015 12:33 PM
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 Originally Posted By: reflex264
No breakage and probably 7000-8000 as a super and 5000-6000 as a .460.



Thats exactly the answer I was hoping for...


Much thanks

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