I'm in the market for a holster gun to carry in the woods and close range deer hunting. Which gun would you prefer? I'm leaning toward a Glock 20, simply because I've never had a Glock. But not sure the 10 is any better than a hot loaded 45.

Glock 20SF

Nice!!! What kind of accuracy you getting with it?

Also, what kind of barrel is that?

I prefer my XD, but my wife likes her Glock 23. 6 of one, half dozen of the other really.

Accuracy between the two with factory barrels will be a wash. The 10mm round would make an excellent dual purpose round and more than capable for what you require.

I have both Glocks and XD's. They are combat accurate guns. 3" at 25 yds might be the best you can hope for from an unmodified gun. I also have a Glock with a Wilson barrel that goes 1" at 25 yds.

You can't go wrong with either platform in a defensive gun that could also he used as a opportunistic meat gun.

Dave

I lean toward the Glock but have seen some XDs shoot pretty good. The 10mm is stout. You have to go to a hot loaded super or .460 Rowland to match the power. A G20 with a factory tube and trigger and one of several factory loads would make a good 35+ yard deer/hog gun. A simple barrel switch and trigger gets you 50+ yards. reflex264

How do the Glocks hold up with heavy 10mm loads? I like the looks of the 6" after market barrel in the above picture. And would also install an adjustable sight.

Just fine. beef up the recoil spring availible from any Glock supplier and your good to go. reflex264

The barrel is a KKM.

I have worked up loads using Nosler 150 grain HP's and 190 grain WFNGC's. Both will shot around 1.5" at 30 yards.

I've got a bid in on a G21 on Gunbroker. I think I'm going the 45 super route with a storm lake 6"barrel. If anyone has done this, what weight recoil spring would you recommend?

Used that exact set up with a 24lbs spring. Worked great...

Is that an adjustable sight on your gun? I just lost a doe yesterday to an arrow. I'm ready to start slingin lead at them!;)

Not on that one. Fortunatly the load I hunted with hit right on the sights. My .460 Rowland is running Dawson sights and I couldn't be happier. Perfect sight picture and adjustable. reflex264

.45 Super


.460 Rowland

I should mention that the Nosler 185gr anywhere from 1100 to 1500fps will kill deer jsut fine. In the super brass 10.8grs Blue Dot with the 185 is super accuarate and death to deer.

185gr .451 vs 210gr .41

Thanks for all the info and pics! Yea I think the 45 is a better option than the 10mm due to being more versatile. Seems pretty easy to have acp, super, and rowland in the same gun. While I've owned 100's of guns, somehow I've never owned a Glock. I'm kind of excited to get into something new! How is the blast from the comp on your Rowland?

Not terrible but the recoil from full power loads is very controlled. If you have read the story of the bear attack stopped by a Rowland (it was built on a 1911 but also had Rowlands comp) the shooter said his ability to stay on target is what saved his life. With 230grs at 1450fps I can rapid fire the whole mag into a 6" circle at 25 yards. I do wear hearing protection when handgun hunting. reflex264

I went ahead and ordered the Storm Lake barrel, and 24lb spring and guide rod. Now I just hope I win the auction on the gun! Lol! I figure I'll try the factory sights and see if I need an adjustable later.

Toby,

Good plan on the sights. With these autos, the variation between POA/POI between the various loadings tend to be less extreme than similarly set up revolvers. Mainly due to the recoil/slide deal, and the fact that your not trying to run bullet weights that are 150 grains apart. Unless you get like Reflex........;^)

Craig

Yep I would run the facories as well. No problem to fit Dawsons if they don't impact correctly.


Unless you get like Reflex........;^)

Someone has to do it! ;-}

reflex,

Yup, you da man. I have a zip loc bag with a lot of heavies crammed into 45acp, super and Rowland. I have the cases marked as good to go or wrong. The problem is that wrong can be related to the diameter of the chamber, the throat or even different mags. Most definately a very fine line with many combinations. I'd love to find some heavy lead that has a lower bullet body like the Barnes 185 XPB's. Very slight taper.....

Craig

Well I didn't win the auction. But, I did pick up a used in new condition G21 at a local gun store today. Now I'm waiting on the barrel and spring to arrive from Midway. I hope the barrel drops in with no problem. I've already got a box of BB 45 SUPER, so I should be ready to go soon!

I have the glock 21 set up for 45 super with 6" kkm barrel and vortex razor reflex sight. I too am getting 1.5" at 30 yds with 250 wfngc. I also have the glock 20 with 6" kkm barrel and same reflex sight. May be a little tighter group at 30 yds with 200gr wfngc. Hope to get a shot next month.

Has anyone of you had a chance to look into the 40 Super? In Reading about it, it looks like a powerful round! There's a video on Youtube of a guy cronographing several loads and he was getting 1300 from a 220 grain cast, 1400 fps from a 200 grain xtp bullet, 1600 fps from a 180 xtp and 1800 fps from a 135 xpb. He says it's a 45 win mag case cut to 10mm length, and necked down to 40 cal.

Mike

How do you like the Vortex sight? Can you post a pic of it on your Glock?

I love the sight. I am low tech and don't have a camera....lol.
The dot is amazing. No starburst effect....just crisp and clear. It holds zero wonderfully. The no questions asked transferable lifetime warranty really sold me.

I looked into the .40 Super and even talked to the gent that is making the barrels. It is a hot round buttttttttttt the current laod data has been cut way back from the original. Slide velocity without a comp would quickly become a issue which is probably why the newer data is backed off. he did tell me that he has a personal gun set up with Dawson sights like mine in .40 super that would consistently shoot 3" groups at 100 yards. After weighing all the options I felt like the .460 was a better fit for me. reflex264

Yea I was thinking that sounded mighty hot! I'm going to try the super for now and move up if I feel it's needed. I suspect that a set of Dawson sights might be in my future too. I just shoot much better with plain target sights as apposed to dot sights. Are your Dawson sights plain target or dot sights?

Mike
I'm thinking the reflex might be a good option for hunting. Looks like they're lightweight too.

Dawsons have several options. You can get a plain post front to go with the black rear sight. I opted for the red dot front a little skinnier. It turned out perfect. I can use it like a post but the red dot helps in low light. reflex264

Hornady 200 grain XTP in 45 ACP is 5 fps faster than 10 mm Auto. With custom ammo the spread is much greater. Any 200 grain .400 caliber is enough at 1050 fps. Combat accuracy won't make you send group photos to your friends but 6 inches at 50 yards kills lots of game. I like the feel of SF gripframe compared to standard G20. I also like 1911 style grip but 10mm Auto is a bit much when the grip safety digs into my palm.

Yea I had a 10mm Kimber awhile back. I didn't really see it as that much better than a 45acp plus p. I have an Ed Brown 45 Executive Target that shoots better than any pistol I've ever had, but I wanted something I didn't mind beating around in the woods with. I find myself being too careful with the Ed Brown.
The Glock or Springfield should fit the bill nicely. Now I just have to see if my new G21 will shoot!I highly doubt it will shoot with my EB, but hunting accuracy, like you said, is a different ballgame. I plan to keep my shots within bow range, so I should be ok.

This is what I expect from tuned Glocks..........


Yours should do this with just a little work. reflex264

Nice! What trigger do you recommend?

you can get a trigger package from Lone Wolf that has the housing with the adjustable stop, 6lbs spring and 3.5Lbs connector. 40 some odd dollars and a drastic improvement.
This will get you a good hunting trigger. I wouldn't go any farther on a hunting gun. reflex264

Thanks. I'll look into that. That's my biggest issue with it so far. I'm used to a 1911 and Freedom Arms trigger, so it's an adjustment for me. I never imagined a Glock could get the accuracy you're getting.

Hello I'm a new guy but I used to work on Glocks all the time. The lone wolf trigger kit is great and so is the Ghost Rocket kit. If you are going to mount a red dot system you can cowitness with your iron sights to help with finding the dot faster. It requires the slide to be milled but its a great setup and if the dot dies you still have sights to finish you hunt.

heres a link to what it could look like. They do G21's
http://tsdcombatsystems.com/tsd-red-dot-glock-pistols/tsdglockonarock/

What ever you do enjoy it or its not worth it

Scrapple,

Welcome aboard. That is a nice looking Glock in your link to that website. Having played with Red Dots atop revolvers and Semi's, I concur the lower the better. This is one of the reasons I like the JPoint. It has a notch in the back of the sight that can sorta be used as a rear iron. It will not co-witness in any way, but when you snap the gun up and look for the rear notch, the dot is not far away. Not nearly as nice as the one in picture, though.

Craig

Well I got home a little while ago to find a new Storm Lake 6" barrel, stainless guide rod and spring kit in the mail! Barrel and springs installed with no problems. The barrel locks much tighter into the slide with no play whatsoever. I had some double tap 230 gr loads on hand so I shot it a few times. Results......about a 2.5" 5 shot group around the center bull! The first shot actually went dead center and I about fell out of my chair. Lol! This was with factory sights. I'm guessing it would do mucg better with a better shooter.

I'm also sure I could shoot better with a reflex sight, but I kinda want to use this as a holster gun. I imagine some practice might help too....
I shot a few more times with a fill clip and got a couple FTF's. I'm thinking the 24lb recoil spring may be too much for standard loads. The DT loads are 230 gr @ 1000 fps. Kind of hot but maybe not enough to work with that weight spring?