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Which .45 Colt? #140339 01/15/2014 2:11 AM
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Hello fellow handgunners!... I have not posted very much on here, and it has been a long while since the last time...but I do stop by and read posts now and again (great site and info!)....I still handgun hunt when I get the opportunity (10" t/c contender .357 mag. and .22 match, also ruger single six) ....But here is the reason I'm posting today....I want to get a revolver chambered for .45 colt and would like to get some recommendations on strong and accurate choices....I will be using this gun for mostly Missouri deer and I do handload when needed(cast boolits preferred)...Thanks!!

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Can't go wrong with a Ruger Bisley.


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 Originally Posted By: s4s4u
Can't go wrong with a Ruger Bisley.


And that would be my suggestion as well!


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x3 on the Ruger Bisley !


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I just got one myself, so X4. I haven't shot it yet, but I'm expecting big things from it!!! (Bisley SBHH)

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Re: Which .45 Colt? [Re: Raptortrapper] #140354 01/15/2014 4:39 AM
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How bout the Ruger Bisley "Hunter"? Scope rings capable...

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X 5 The Ruger 45 bisley is definitely my first choice.

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I love the 5 1/2-inch barrel the best.


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Re: Which .45 Colt? [Re: Whitworth] #140368 01/15/2014 1:22 PM
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Wow!...Looks like Ruger Bisley all the way!...Is the Ruger that much better than the Freedom Arms, Colt, or S&W?...or just price to performance?...Thanks!....btw, I really like that 5 1/2 s.s. ruger you have there Whitworth!!!

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 Originally Posted By: MOHunter
Wow!...Looks like Ruger Bisley all the way!...Is the Ruger that much better than the Freedom Arms, Colt, or S&W?...or just price to performance?...Thanks!....btw, I really like that 5 1/2 s.s. Ruger you have there Whitworth!!!


I'll say no. It's not "better" than a smith or a Freedom Arms. But I believe it a better choice for a 45 Colt "bang for your buck" gun.

FA's don't come in 45 Colt so you'd have to spring for the extra cylinder if you want a dedicated 45. That said, even though it's really expensive it is worth the money.

The smith is a great double action gun but it doesn't have the strength the Ruger has.

The Ruger is an very accurate out of the box gun, highly customizable, and a great first gun for the sixgun hunter.


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Actually the Model 97 Freedom Arms is available in a 5 shot 45 Colt. I prefer the 97 because it uses a transfer bar safety instead of the hammer block on the 83. If I was planning on going to really heavy loads I might opt for a 5 shot FA over a Ruger. Of course there are 5 shot conversions for Rugers.

All that said, Rugers are unbeatable for bang for the buck.


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 Originally Posted By: MOHunter
Wow!...Looks like Ruger Bisley all the way!...Is the Ruger that much better than the Freedom Arms, Colt, or S&W?...or just price to performance?...Thanks!....btw, I really like that 5 1/2 s.s. ruger you have there Whitworth!!!


I've got a Colt Anaconda in 45 Colt, and won't trade it for anything... right now. But I baby that gun. The bisley SBHH that I have coming is going to be my true work horse for the 45 Colt loads.


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Re: Which .45 Colt? [Re: RioHondoHank] #140372 01/15/2014 3:05 PM
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 Originally Posted By: RioHondoHank
Actually the Model 97 Freedom Arms is available in a 5 shot 45 Colt. I prefer the 97 because it uses a transfer bar safety instead of the hammer block on the 83. If I was planning on going to really heavy loads I might opt for a 5 shot FA over a Ruger. Of course there are 5 shot conversions for Rugers.

All that said, Rugers are unbeatable for bang for the buck.


Yes this is a fact. I should have pointed that out seeing as how I own a 97 in 45 Colt. My kids are making sure I don't sleep enough to speak in public.


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Thanks for the replies folks. I am seriously considering the FA97 or FA83 (multi cylinder)and the Ruger Bisley....I prefer accuracy over price!...But if the Ruger Bisleys are very close in practical accuracy to the the FA's then I might go the Ruger route....Does anyone own both in .45 LC?....

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MOHunter,

I'm partial to this 45 Colt; M97 with 5.5" tube...



It's very handy to carry around on the belt and wicked accurate!

I also have the bigger brother version, too.....



No complaints here either, but for a pure breed 45 Colt, I like the M97 the best.


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My personal experience is that I have never owned a Ruger that was as accurate as my FA revolvers (and I have owned many Rugers). I expect that many will dispute this based upon their experience --- but that is my experience.

I also own a M97 in 45 Colt. It is my favorite "packing gun." Small, light and with a big hole in the bbl. However, if you have not had any experience with a M97, you should handle and shoot one before you buy. I love them (all three of mine), but they do not fit everyone.


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Re: Which .45 Colt? [Re: wtroper] #140473 01/16/2014 9:29 PM
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No doubt that the chances of getting an accurate FA from the factory are much greater than that of a Ruger. That is what you get for the money -- a hand-built revolver. However, when it comes to bang-for-the-buck, it is hard to beat a Ruger. The price of admission is much lower. I am particularly fond of the Williams Shooters Supply distributer exclusive Ruger Bisleys with a 5 1/2-inch barrel. I customized mine a bit, but out of the box it shot lights-out. Obviously you can't go wrong going the FA route.


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I have that bisley SBHH in 45 Colt coming that Junebug found. What, if anything, can be done to it to help the accuracy? Of course I am going to shoot it and see how it does out of the box, but are there things that can be done to help with accuracy? I'm talking about things that can be done to the gun itself, not just finding the right load that the gun likes.


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I own a bh 5.5 in 45 colt and a sbh10.5 in 44 mag. While i like to carry and shoot my 45, it is as accurate as i am, i really like shooting my 44 more. It is accurate and has nothing done to it. I just enjoy 44's better. Seems like i can load 44's hotter and with more bullet choice. More meat around the cylinders. The pros for the 45 is it rolls off the tongue and sounds more powerfull and definantly more prestigious when you name drop a 45 colt.

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 Originally Posted By: raptortrapper
I have that bisley SBHH in 45 Colt coming that Junebug found. What, if anything, can be done to it to help the accuracy? Of course I am going to shoot it and see how it does out of the box, but are there things that can be done to help with accuracy? I'm talking about things that can be done to the gun itself, not just finding the right load that the gun likes.



Slug your barrel and cylinder throats. If anything, you want the throats to be slightly larger (.001") than the bore. My Bisley 45 had throats that measured .4505, same as the bore. I couldn't push a bullet through them without a hammer. Shot terrible. I honed the throats so that a 250 XTP (.4515") would go through with little to no effort and what a difference that made.


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Thanks Rod. Slugging the barrel and throats... is that something I can do, or do I need to take it in? I don't know what "slugging" is.

Thanks!


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 Originally Posted By: MOHunter
Does anyone own both in .45 LC?....


I own both the Stainless Ruger Bisley 45 Colt and the Freedom Arms 97 45 Colt. Both guns are 5.5 inch barrels. I sometimes shoot the Ruger better than the FA but that is on me and not the gun.

There is really no comparison in quality. The Ruger is the Chevy Camero and the Freedom is the Maserati. The FA is much lighter and sometimes more to deal with recoil wise. The difference in frame size is very noticeable.

In my limited opinion, there are light years of accuracy between a revolver that shoots 1-2 inches at 25yds and on that shoots one hole groups. The Freedom comes with the 5 shot group shot at the factory. Mine looked like a 2 shot ragged hole but all 5 shots were there.

You can't really compare the two fairly.

If it's in the budget, I'd buy the FA every time.

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 Originally Posted By: raptortrapper
Thanks Rod. Slugging the barrel and throats... is that something I can do, or do I need to take it in? I don't know what "slugging" is.

Thanks!


You can use a 1/2 oz egg sinker or a cast bullet. You will need a hammer and something to use for a "drift" to push the lead through. Brass is best, but I use a 3/8" blunted steel spike that I wrapped electrical tape around so as not to ding the rifling. Start the lead at the muzzle and tap it through the bore. Measure the diameter when it pops out the other end. Do the same for the cylinder and compare the measurements.


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Thanks for all the feedback folks!....I have owned a number of Ruger pistols, just not in .45 LC (but that might change soon also!)....I think I would like to get the FA 83 or 97...Looks like at least a 10 month wait according to the FA site, unless I find one that is already out there?....How does the dimensions of the .454 cylinder differ from the .45 LC?...Is it just where the throats begin?.....

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Thanks Rod. Slugging the barrel and throats... is that something I can do, or do I need to take it in? I don't know what "slugging" is.

Thanks!


You can use a 1/2 oz egg sinker or a cast bullet. You will need a hammer and something to use for a "drift" to push the lead through. Brass is best, but I use a 3/8" blunted steel spike that I wrapped electrical tape around so as not to ding the rifling. Start the lead at the muzzle and tap it through the bore. Measure the diameter when it pops out the other end. Do the same for the cylinder and compare the measurements.


What do I do with this information? Take it to a gunsmith and have him match things up?


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Re: Which .45 Colt? [Re: Raptortrapper] #140555 01/18/2014 3:32 AM
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What do I do with this information?


If the throats are the same as, or smaller than, the bore you may want to have them reamed. See how she shoots first and go from there.


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Re: Which .45 Colt? [Re: MOHunter] #140556 01/18/2014 3:34 AM
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How does the dimensions of the .454 cylinder differ from the .45 LC?...Is it just where the throats begin?...


Yes. The difference is in the length of case that will chamber. You can shoot 45's in the 454, but be sure to clean it up good before you go back to the longer case.


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Re: Which .45 Colt? [Re: s4s4u] #140557 01/18/2014 3:43 AM
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Thanks s4s4u, that' what I figured....I will have to contact the two local dealers here in my part of Missouri and see what they have in stock and find out what it will take to get one of these fine pistols...I have wanted one for a long time now!...Thanks again folks

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 Originally Posted By: MOHunter
Thanks s4s4u, that' what I figured....I will have to contact the two local dealers here in my part of Missouri and see what they have in stock and find out what it will take to get one of these fine pistols...I have wanted one for a long time now!...Thanks again folks


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I would suggest you try the trigger on a S&W Model 25. The new classic with a 6 1/2 inch barrel isn't bad and any 25-5 6 inch does well too. If you are a deer hunter this gun will shoot all the deer loads you need. I love my Ruger Bisley SS 5.5", it's a tank and will take all the Ruger only loads I care to use but any 20,000 psi load will do just fine in a S&W and it is easier to squeeze good groups out of it, quicker hammer fall, crisp sear release, less over travel.

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I would agree that out of the box the S&W trigger is typically much better, but who leaves well enough alone? All of my revolvers have their triggers worked over and frankly the SA Rugers are as slick as anyone could ever want. I love the N-frame .45 Colt, but prefer the option of being able to load it hotter -- much hotter -- if need be. JMHO.


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Yeah Whit, all my triggers get worked also and I agree, the Rugers are as good as any.







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Bisley. It will give you options later if needed.


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My choice would be the old model ruger redhawk, if you can find one. If you can afford a new s&w, then by all means do it. I settled on a super redhawk in 454. It's not a true 45lc and it wasn't what i wanted but i stumbled upon it in a pawn shop and he price was too low to pass up. Someday I'll get my redhawk. No offense to the single action blackhawks or freedom arms, but i wrecked my wrist in a motorcycle accident years ago and i just can't shoot single action pistols any more.


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Install a Hamilton Bowen rear sight on the Ruger for a better sight picture.

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On my 5.5" Bisley, I had the cylinders reamed out, basically to where the bullets would drop through the cylinder without catching. I also lapped the barrel with Beartooth's lapping kit, and the accuracy of the Ruger is very good now.

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Another vote for the Ruger Bisley. And yes it is better than a S&W. Start thumping heavy 45 Colt loads through both & see which chums first? I doubt you'd loosen a Ruger in your life time. If you care to spend more try a BFR or even FA's. They're great but the Ruger gives the most value & you can do what ever you want to it as you go along & form your own preferences. $115 for a top notch action job from Mag-Na-Port & you'll have a sweet shooter.

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Ruger Bisley by all means. It's digestive track is great. Hot loads? No problem. Light loads? Why not. Customize to your own preference without shelling out an arm and a leg.

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I have a standard blued Bisley with a Leupold base and rings. It has a Belt Mtn pin, Wolf springs and Power Custom pawl. Kind of the standard bling I have added to most all of my Ruger SA guns. I think it has better balance than the Hunter (had one of those too). This gun shoots better groups than most would believe. I had my buddy jig grind the chambers to within .0002" he did the same with my 4 5/8" SS Ruger 45 Colt. I also have a 625 S&W it shoots great too but as stated it will not take the loads the Ruger will. Then last is a model 25 S&W another bone stock gun that shoots great I run even lighter loads out of this gun.

I shoot one load out of the Rugers it is a 250 XTP over 2400. The Smiths i shoot 250 gr hard cast over a bit lighter load of 2400.


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Re: Which .45 Colt? [Re: H2OBUG] #142703 03/14/2014 4:14 PM
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One other option in .45 Colt: Buy a Redhawk 5.5 inch barrel in any smaller caliber and send it to Clements or Bowen and have them rebore it to a minimum spec .45 Colt. The brass will last longer, it will be more accurate and a set of custom grips and an action job can be done at the same time.

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