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45 colt or 500 linebaugh bisley #152172 11/19/2014 9:12 PM
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Ok folks,

Here's the dilemma, I have a colt bisley, custom cut barrel to 5" and such. It is currently six shot 45 colt. I'm wondering if I should leave it alone, have it converted to five shot or scrap the 45 and have a 500 built. Not recoil shy and have shot the heaviest hitters in rifles and revolvers and target shoot with my .458 win mag. The brain cell that was afraid of recoil died years ago so that's not a factor. I like the 475 also so that's an option, but I kinda like the thought of the 500 plus less pressure so it will help with the longevity of the revolver.

I will use it for shooting fun, deer hunting, black bear here in Maine, grizzly protection in Alaska next year and a bison hunt next October and maybe in a few years if the Ebola crisis fades, a trip to Africa. I know the colt is capable of most everything with 360 grainers in my six shot at 1100 fps but I like the thought of a 525 grain bullet and more whack.

Last question is who to have build it. Gary reeder I know quite well and seems to do nice work but never shot a gun he's built. Linebaugh is quite good as well as Bowen but both have long waits. Also, they are more expensive. Does anyone here have a reeder gun and if so, what do you think of it?


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.500 Linebaugh all the way. I am a huge fan of the .45 Colt, but the .500 Linebaugh is hard to beat. I have found there is little 525s at 1,100 fps can't stop decisively. All of the top builders will give you a quality product, but if you want it done correctly and fast, I would contact Jack Huntington at (775) 355-6898. Call him and talk to him. You won't be disappointed and he won't break the bank in the process. Here is something similar to what you seek, but in .500 JRH.









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Re: 45 colt or 500 linebaugh bisley [Re: Whitworth] #152174 11/19/2014 9:59 PM
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Of course Whitworth would tell you to go with the 500.
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Whit, that is a fine looking weapon. I've spoken to jack before in the past but I forgot about him!!! Good point to call him. I'd like mine to look as elegant as the one he made for you. I boot gripped mine though and I have to say, I like the grip angle, for me, as it doesn't rap my knuckle. It mirrors the gunfighter grip by Gary reeder.

What load do you use for the 525 grainers?


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500 Linebaugh built by its namesake.


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Re: 45 colt or 500 linebaugh bisley [Re: Lucien] #152177 11/19/2014 10:16 PM
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And whit, isn't it hard to get the JRH ammo? I know you can trim the 500 smith down but is there brass out there now?


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 Originally Posted By: Badubet
500 Linebaugh built by its namesake.


And wait three years.......

JL is a great guy, who builds great guns, but he is waaaaayyyy backed up.


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Re: 45 colt or 500 linebaugh bisley [Re: Lucien] #152179 11/19/2014 10:27 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Lucien
Whit, that is a fine looking weapon. I've spoken to jack before in the past but I forgot about him!!! Good point to call him. I'd like mine to look as elegant as the one he made for you. I boot gripped mine though and I have to say, I like the grip angle, for me, as it doesn't rap my knuckle. It mirrors the gunfighter grip by Gary reeder.

What load do you use for the 525 grainers?


The grip frame is modified and gives you more clearance between the trigger guard and your middle knuckle. It works really well and the grip itself will be made for your hand. My .500 Max doesn't whack me in the knuckle unless I am on the bench and then it's only an occasional occurrence. I will PM you load data.


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Re: 45 colt or 500 linebaugh bisley [Re: Whitworth] #152180 11/19/2014 10:59 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Whitworth
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500 Linebaugh built by its namesake.


And wait three years.......

JL is a great guy, who builds great guns, but he is waaaaayyyy backed up.

Yea he's backed up but if you want a custom made by one of the masters then he will build you one and not someone else that works in the shop.


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ebola thus far isn't an issue for ya to go to south africa. that said, if you're gonna have work done i'd go with something unique. that 500 ya got whit is just a beautiful gun. linebaugh makes nice guns, he does, but theyre not in anyway finer than what jack does. top notch, a bit more affordable and you can have one while you're still young enough to walk with it and aren't in a chair. 500 linebaugh ammo can be readily ordered thru grizzly or buffalo bore.

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Not sure why you seem combative........

The "shop" consists of two people, and there are only two people that lay their hands upon revolvers, one is Jack and the other is Jason Menefee. Both are imminently qualified to build a no-holds-barred custom, but they will typically build them together.

God bless John Linebaugh and his contributions to what we do, but if money is no option and you can afford to wait, might as well get them both to build you a revolver. That way you have something to shoot and hunt with while the other is being built.

Do you own any Linebaugh guns? Huntingtons? Just curious as to what you are basing your opinion on. I have both and if you think you are shortchanging yourself by going with Huntington, you are sadly mistaken. You really can't go wrong with any of the top builders -- as I stated earlier -- but I don't have the patience to wait years. Life is too dang short. JMHO.

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Re: 45 colt or 500 linebaugh bisley [Re: Lucien] #152185 11/19/2014 11:27 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Lucien
Ok folks,

Here's the dilemma, I have a colt bisley, custom cut barrel to 5" and such. It is currently six shot 45 colt. I'm wondering if I should leave it alone, have it converted to five shot or scrap the 45 and have a 500 built. Not recoil shy and have shot the heaviest hitters in rifles and revolvers and target shoot with my .458 win mag. The brain cell that was afraid of recoil died years ago so that's not a factor. I like the 475 also so that's an option, but I kinda like the thought of the 500 plus less pressure so it will help with the longevity of the revolver.

I will use it for shooting fun, deer hunting, black bear here in Maine, grizzly protection in Alaska next year and a bison hunt next October and maybe in a few years if the Ebola crisis fades, a trip to Africa. I know the colt is capable of most everything with 360 grainers in my six shot at 1100 fps but I like the thought of a 525 grain bullet and more whack.

Last question is who to have build it. Gary reeder I know quite well and seems to do nice work but never shot a gun he's built. Linebaugh is quite good as well as Bowen but both have long waits. Also, they are more expensive. Does anyone here have a reeder gun and if so, what do you think of it?


Is this a COLT Bisley as stated? If so, I don't think what we are discussing is even an option. If a ruger then that's a different story. I'd go for the 475 personally just because it's one of my favorites.


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Well I'll be the advocate for the other way.I would choose the 45colt. If you want to send it off for customization,no one is finer than Jack. A little more room in the grip frame and a 5 shot cylinder and nothing in NA can stand up to it loaded to it's potential.

I have played with the bigger calibers, and they hit harder, but I wouldn't be afraid to hunt anything that walks in NA with a good 350gr bullet over 22grs of H110/296( load safe in my revolver). Out of a 4/58" bl you get a honest 1200fps and it thumps critters.


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I have a revolver built by Gary Reeder chambered in 510 GNR. The 510 is a shorter version of the 500 Linebaugh. It can be loaded up, or down.





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Re: 45 colt or 500 linebaugh bisley [Re: GlennS] #152189 11/20/2014 12:01 AM
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 Originally Posted By: GlennS


Is this a COLT Bisley as stated? If so, I don't think what we are discussing is even an option. If a ruger then that's a different story. I'd go for the 475 personally just because it's one of my favorites.


That is another caliber that you can't go wrong with! It's a Ruger Bisley, Glenn.


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Re: 45 colt or 500 linebaugh bisley [Re: Whitworth] #152193 11/20/2014 12:24 AM
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 Originally Posted By: Whitworth
Not sure why you seem combative........

The "shop" consists of two people, and there are only two people that lay their hands upon revolvers, one is Jack and the other is Jason Menefee. Both are imminently qualified to build a no-holds-barred custom, but they will typically build them together.

God bless John Linebaugh and his contributions to what we do, but if money is no option and you can afford to wait, might as well get them both to build you a revolver. That way you have something to shoot and hunt with while the other is being built.

Do you own any Linebaugh guns? Huntingtons? Just curious as to what you are basing your opinion on. I have both and if you think you are shortchanging yourself by going with Huntington, you are sadly mistaken. You really can't go wrong with any of the top builders -- as I stated earlier -- but I don't have the patience to wait years. Life is too dang short. JMHO.

Here's my .475 -- by JL.



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Not combative. Just gave my opinion just like yourself and several others. I gave a general statement that a few shops may have other people working on the guns other than the men that put their names on the guns. Just my lowly opinion but I think many people buy these guns because they are not mass produced and you generally wont see one at the range. Also in my opinion I believe every additional person working in the shop; that it moves towards the assembly line production. I know 2 people are not an assembly line.
Answer to your question on how many customs I own and the answer currently is '0' in the revolver category. I have one on order with John and have handled and shot a few revolver from most of the big names. They all make fine guns and anyone would be lucky to own just one. You are very lucky to have the collection that you have, Whit. I'm looking to order a SS Nimrod from Bowen after the first of the year and actually may receive that one before the Linebaugh is ready.
Again I said nothing of Huntington and you need not defend him or his shop.


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If you're not going to shoot Cape buffalo or elephant or hippo or Kodiak bears then stick with the 45 Colt. It will do all you need it to do and for a lot less punishment. You can still have it customized like Whitworth's gun and you'll never say, "ok I've had enough of that gun for today"


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I would send the gun to Huntington and have him make it into a 500 JRH. Right now Jack is making brass for the 500 JRH from cut down 500 S&W brass. I didn't ask but I assume that Starline are dragging their feet on making new JRH brass.

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If ya must have a linebaugh gun then fine get one and wait till the end of time. Theyre fine guns. Jack is a top notch machinist and is top flight as a gunsmith. I wont go into who's "best" but You're not getting less with his guns.

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I'd personally prefer a 45 Colt, but that's just me.


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I will throw this in to complicate things.

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You asked about a .45 or a .500, why not go halfways and consider a .475 Linebaugh...



Any of those fine gunsmiths mentioned can build you one.

In my humble opinion, the .475 will do anything the .500 will do and may even penetrate better (not that you may ever need it.)

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Mine has worked great on several big mule deer (of course its way over-kill) and 2 mature bull elk (complete penetration); and should I ever go for a big bear, it will be my primary choice.

Not sayin' the .500 won't (or even the .45 Colt,) just trying to muddy the waters a bit for discussion.



PS: Whit, your photos are excellent of your guns, I know it ain't that easy...







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 Originally Posted By: Badubet

Whit,
Not combative. Just gave my opinion just like yourself and several others. I gave a general statement that a few shops may have other people working on the guns other than the men that put their names on the guns. Just my lowly opinion but I think many people buy these guns because they are not mass produced and you generally wont see one at the range. Also in my opinion I believe every additional person working in the shop; that it moves towards the assembly line production. I know 2 people are not an assembly line.
Answer to your question on how many customs I own and the answer currently is '0' in the revolver category. I have one on order with John and have handled and shot a few revolver from most of the big names. They all make fine guns and anyone would be lucky to own just one. You are very lucky to have the collection that you have, Whit. I'm looking to order a SS Nimrod from Bowen after the first of the year and actually may receive that one before the Linebaugh is ready.
Again I said nothing of Huntington and you need not defend him or his shop.


I misread your post, my apologies. I don't have a problem with someone else in the shop performing some task on the revolver. It is still the head guy who has to put his stamp of approval on the final product. Even JL has Dustin do grips for him. I agree that all of the top dogs are great at what they do, and you will be well served by any of them. My "collection" as it stands sounds a lot more grand than it really is and it has taken me a lot of time and money to accrue as well as some creative horse trading. I am sending a Bisley to JL soon for conversion (it's a .429 Magnum that needs to grow up a bit), and I am prepared to wait, but I just don't like waiting so long. But that's just me.

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Re: 45 colt or 500 linebaugh bisley [Re: Whitworth] #152230 11/20/2014 10:44 AM
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Some really good points guys. I spoke to jack last night and I think I'll be sending him along the donar gun and have him get to work. I didn't realize that linebaugh is three years out or more! His guns are nice but I'll not wait that long. I'd forget I owned it and be out buying another something else.

As to caliber, everyone here brought up some good points and thoughts that made sense I thought when I fell asleep last night that I had decided on the caliber for sure and now as I wake up, I'm not so sure. As to the folks on the 45 colt side, you are right about the colt, it's great. I just feel like I need something a little bit "more". The colt is not lacking in any way.

Remaining question, 500 linebaugh, 500 JRH (I'm leaning that way) or 475. And no, I cannot afford all three at the moment and remain married. And yes, I loooove the wife.


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 Originally Posted By: Lucien

Remaining question, 500 linebaugh, 500 JRH (I'm leaning that way) or 475. And no, I cannot afford all three at the moment and remain married. And yes, I loooove the wife.


Fun dilemma for sure!


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The 475L has more readily available loading components as well as factory ammo. The other two, not so readily available.

That said, I'd like to have a 500JRH. But, I already have a 475L.
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If I was to choose between the three, I'd go with the 500 JRH. First reason: it's a friggen 50 cal! Second: since it fires a .500 diameter bullet, you would have a decent bullet selection in both jacketed and cast.


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I went with 500JRH from Jack, and shoot it 10 to 1 over any of my other guns now, including the Bisley 45 Colt SBHH.


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I think it's gonna be the JRH. I want them all but I need to pace myself. And no whit, not a fun dilemma! One would think that it is but nope! I buy every gun as though it was my last purchase ever. And it would be if the Obama administration got their wish.


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500 JRH (I'm leaning that way)


I'd be leaning that way as well. Or just leave it 45 Colt, my personal favorite.


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Ive had or currently have them all. The 500 jrh has by far the best bullet and some ability to make your brass relatively easily. Then again based on what i know now id just get a 500 jrh. The bullet availability is horrible for the 475 and 500 linebaugh since i wont use cast bullets on dangerous game.

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Spoke to jack again and the JRH pushes a 440 up to 1400 fps. I'd think that should handle anything that walks. I like the amount of bullets available for it as well. I do think that it makes the most sense. I wish I could try one!


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If the bullet does. CEB makes a 400 gr bullet ya can push to 1300 no probs and itll never fail. Barns also makes a 400 gr buster that ya can push to 1400 if ya so need. Outside of those for the biggest butnit gives ya already more choices than the other calibers you were considering and thats not even getting into the hp's, soft points, and barnes expandables offerings

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You are right there. I've only ever used lead though, no jacketed stuff really but I think I'll run a bunch of experiments when this one is done with a plethora of different bullets. If I like this revolver as much as i thnk I'm going to, I'm going to have jack make me more. 480 ruger in the ruger 44 special frame with a grip changing it to the bisley configuration. Small, light and packs a punch. Great backpacking weapon.


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Yup. For dangerous stuff when backpacking ya may wanna start looking at some tough expandables like barnes and a frames. The video of the mountain lion and our bears illustrate this well.

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Yup. For dangerous stuff when backpacking ya may wanna start looking at some tough expandables like barnes and a frames. The video of the mountain lion and our bears illustrate this well.


Where are the videos? Have you posted them?


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Re: 45 colt or 500 linebaugh bisley [Re: Chance Weldon] #152252 11/20/2014 11:31 PM
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 Originally Posted By: TN Lone Wolf
If I was to choose between the three, I'd go with the 500 JRH. First reason: it's a friggen 50 cal! Second: since it fires a .500 diameter bullet, you would have a decent bullet selection in both jacketed and cast.



AGREE 100%. If I was building a custom gun, I'd def go .500 something. It is a 1/2" diameter chunk of lead and copper. EASY CHOICE!!!

Re: 45 colt or 500 linebaugh bisley [Re: gknarf] #152255 11/21/2014 12:00 AM
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Nope. Putting it all together.

Re: 45 colt or 500 linebaugh bisley [Re: tradmark] #152263 11/21/2014 2:31 AM
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The 45 will do anything but the 500L can't be beat for its "fun" factor. If you want to save 3 years there is a really nice Linebaugh built 500L for sale on the Ruger forum. Not mine.

http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=213625

Re: 45 colt or 500 linebaugh bisley [Re: Chance Weldon] #152293 11/21/2014 10:35 PM
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My pet .45 Blackhawk with a 4 5/8 barrel launches the 360gr Oregon Trails at an honest 1247fps. That is using Brian Pierces data and the cases don't stick in the gun. No problem if you want a custom as most of here seem to. Don't forget John Gallegher. He has built some of the slickest revolvers I have seen.


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Re: 45 colt or 500 linebaugh bisley [Re: reflex264] #152294 11/21/2014 11:23 PM
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Man, I want a .500 Something in a SA revolver. I just can't stomach the cost of building one. As much as I lust for it.


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