Re: Rifle rounds... Why ?
[Re: Chance Weldon]
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09/05/2015 5:45 PM
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There is not a single person here who can justify my Honda civic argument. I don't think the Honda Civic comparison is a valid analogy to different types of handguns. It's more like asking "If you rechamber your 357 Magnum Contender to 30-30 and compare it to a regular 357 Magnum Contender, is your gun still a Contender?" To which I would say yes, it's still a Contender, and yes, it's still a Civic, even though you've upgraded their power. How does one rechamber a .357 Mag to .30-30 Winchester? Won't the .30cal bullets rattle down the bore of the .35cal barrel?
"To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
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Re: Rifle rounds... Why ?
[Re: Zee]
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09/05/2015 7:11 PM
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Let's put this into perspective...it's handgun hunting because these rounds can and are shot out of handguns....plain and simple. Is it fair? Fair to who or what? & why does anyone really care one way or the other? If you don't like them, don't use them. I love them..are they better than revolvers?, no, but I like them more. Do rifle rounds kill animals deader than traditional revolver rounds?, no. Again, why does it matter? Shoot what you like....if you don't like it, then don't use it!, but let's not knock what someone else likes.....yep....getting wiser in my older years 😉....the problem is that there are not enough handgun hunters...who really cares what kind of handgun is used?...as long as a handgun is used.
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Re: Rifle rounds... Why ?
[Re: Zee]
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09/05/2015 7:30 PM
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Chance Weldon
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There is not a single person here who can justify my Honda civic argument. I don't think the Honda Civic comparison is a valid analogy to different types of handguns. It's more like asking "If you rechamber your 357 Magnum Contender to 30-30 and compare it to a regular 357 Magnum Contender, is your gun still a Contender?" To which I would say yes, it's still a Contender, and yes, it's still a Civic, even though you've upgraded their power. How does one rechamber a .357 Mag to .30-30 Winchester? Won't the .30cal bullets rattle down the bore of the .35cal barrel? Because I was going with a different analogy but changed it halfway through. Rebarrel would be a better term.
Formerly TN Lone Wolf
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Re: Rifle rounds... Why ?
[Re: Zee]
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09/05/2015 7:32 PM
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How does one rechamber a .357 mag to 30-30 Winchester? Won't the 30 caliber bullets rattle down the .35 caliber barrel?
He gets excited sometimes,and his fingers are faster than his brain.
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Re: Rifle rounds... Why ?
[Re: Chance Weldon]
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09/05/2015 7:47 PM
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Zee
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There is not a single person here who can justify my Honda civic argument. I don't think the Honda Civic comparison is a valid analogy to different types of handguns. It's more like asking "If you rechamber your 357 Magnum Contender to 30-30 and compare it to a regular 357 Magnum Contender, is your gun still a Contender?" To which I would say yes, it's still a Contender, and yes, it's still a Civic, even though you've upgraded their power. How does one rechamber a .357 Mag to .30-30 Winchester? Won't the .30cal bullets rattle down the bore of the .35cal barrel? Because I was going with a different analogy but changed it halfway through. Rebarrel would be a better term. I was just messing with you in fun. :-)
"To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
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Re: Rifle rounds... Why ?
[Re: Zee]
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09/05/2015 8:02 PM
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Chance Weldon
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Yeah, I know. No hard feelings.
And yes, sometimes I do type a little faster than my brain can process.
Formerly TN Lone Wolf
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Re: Rifle rounds... Why ?
[Re: Chance Weldon]
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09/06/2015 12:13 AM
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There is not a single person here who can justify my Honda civic argument. I don't think the Honda Civic comparison is a valid analogy to different types of handguns. It's more like asking "If you rechamber your 357 Magnum Contender to 30-30 and compare it to a regular 357 Magnum Contender, is your gun still a Contender?" To which I would say yes, it's still a Contender, and yes, it's still a Civic, even though you've upgraded their power. How does one rechamber a .357 Mag to .30-30 Winchester? Won't the .30cal bullets rattle down the bore of the .35cal barrel? Because I was going with a different analogy but changed it halfway through. Rebarrel would be a better term. I think everybody got your point just fine, Chance ;-) There is one is every crowd......
Rod, too.
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Re: Rifle rounds... Why ?
[Re: s4s4u]
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09/06/2015 12:27 AM
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There is one is every crowd......
Hi Pot. I'm Kettle.
"To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
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Re: Rifle rounds... Why ?
[Re: Zee]
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09/06/2015 2:30 AM
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Ernie
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Boys will be boys...
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Re: Rifle rounds... Why ?
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09/06/2015 5:27 PM
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It's just a cool factor and added challenge to me. I, like many here, grew up rifle hunting. Wanted something different and tried the archery thing for a little while, but just love something that goes bang. I hunted with revolvers as well, but just fell in love with the rifle caliber specialty pistols. It's just fun hunting and target shooting to me with them and something that makes me feel unique at the same time. As long as we remain unified as gun and hunting enthusiasts to protect our rights, it shouldn't matter what flavor of koolaid we choose to drink....
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Re: Rifle rounds... Why ?
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09/08/2015 5:43 AM
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One thing not mentioned:
Traditional handguns, such as revolvers, are much easier to shoot offhand than the modern handgun (specialty pistol).
I missed a deer one time because I came up on a doe while I was on my way to a stand. For some strange reason I couldn't hold my 6.25 lb specialty pistol steady enough to connect on a 60yd shot.
If I had a more traditional handgun, I'd not had that problem.
These modern handguns (specialty pistols) are as much handgun as traditional handguns are. Just as a traditional lever gun is a rifle just as much as a heavy barreled bench gun, varmint gun or long range rig is a rifle. No one ever seems to have issue with the diverse types of rifles, from semiauto AR's to full blown bench guns and everything in between. They're still all referred to as rifles.
And so it is with handguns.
Regards, Rog
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Re: Rifle rounds... Why ?
[Re: Buttermilk]
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09/08/2015 8:12 AM
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im talking about the round not the gun itself
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Re: Rifle rounds... Why ?
[Re: Rmagnum1183]
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09/08/2015 11:07 AM
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Re: Rifle rounds... Why ?
[Re: Rmagnum1183]
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09/08/2015 2:45 PM
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im talking about the round not the gun itself Because we can't stretch a 45 Colt out beyond 200 yards?
Rod, too.
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Re: Rifle rounds... Why ?
[Re: s4s4u]
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09/08/2015 3:48 PM
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I think we might have stumbled across the age old discussion that started when some young whipper-snapper started throwing a long pointy stick at something he wanted to eat rather then then the heavy round rock which was tradition at the time.
In the spirit of the original question that started the post. I shoot a rifle round because I can. I shoot a 30-30 in a TC because I find it cool and interesting. For me, it has a lot more history then a 44 mag or many of the big bore pistol cartridges that have been developed in the last ~20 years. I shoot it because I have my grandfathers 1908 vintage Winchester 94 in 30-30 that he used to hunt deer and elk. I do not ask to be judged for this choice, only that I be allowed to contribute to the community with which I share a passion.
In the spirit of the discussion, maybe we should discuss the ethics, challenges and satisfaction of hunting with repeating firearms that hold ~5 or 6 shots vs a single shot, or perhaps guns that use those new-fangled cartridges where you don't have to use flint or percussion caps to make it go boom. Maybe we should discuss why people are so interested in drawing lines and differentiating themselves from others.
I think Chance said it best a couple pages ago. Why must we focus and obsess on the differences between to build walls and sub-divide our small community between us rather the celebrating the differences and the fact that we have choices and different paths we can follow to the same end.
In closing, remember this - You are a unique individual, just like every single last one of the other 7.125 billion people on this great planet.
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Re: Rifle rounds... Why ?
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09/08/2015 4:04 PM
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Enjoy yourself. Use what you want. Don't be concerned about others desire to define you. If someone uses a knife do they cease to be handgun hunter? The bigger questions: Is the blade fixed or folded? Double edge or single? Stabbing or cutting? And don't forget blade length...
Ernie the Un-Tactical
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