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Need help deciding on a 45 colt load #163777 09/30/2015 9:39 PM
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New member here, I was wondering if you guys could help me decide what load to use for whitetail this fall. I'm going to try and use my Blackhawk if I get a close shot. My shots will be inside 50 yards, preferably closer.

The two loads I'm deciding between are a 230 xtp at about 950 fps and a 300 xtp at about 800 fps. I'm using Accurate #5 (not the best powder for this but it's what I got) and can't find +P data for these two bullets, so I can't get them faster with #5.

What would be your choice? Thanks guys

-Hayden

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I think you'd be better served with a cast slug with a wide meplat at those velocities.


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Hornady has a section in its loading manuals for "Ruger/TC only" handloads.

Also, there's this: http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol


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Re: Need help deciding on a 45 colt load [Re: s4s4u] #163789 10/01/2015 1:26 AM
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 Originally Posted By: s4s4u
I think you'd be better served with a cast slug with a wide meplat at those velocities.


I mostly use jacketed bullets for big game (elk and deer) in my revolvers but tend to agree with s4s4u here. The reason I say this is that the jacketed bullets you mention have to be run "up to speed" to work correctly as far as expansion goes. The cast slugs don't.

The loads you mention may not get the needed velocity to work correctly.

If you use the search engine feature here you will find a "TON" of loads for the .45 Colt.

Others with more experience with the .45 Colt will likely chime in here. I use a .454 Casull and .475 Linebaugh, and I run them fairly fast.

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Re: Need help deciding on a 45 colt load [Re: Gregg Richter] #163791 10/01/2015 1:47 AM
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The reason I say this is that the jacketed bullets you mention have to be run "up to speed" to work correctly as far as expansion goes. The cast slugs don't.


Exactly. My goto bullet for the 45 Colt is the 250 XTP, but I push it a lot faster than 900 fps. You need penetration, and if the bullet does expand slightly at low velocity it isn't going to penetrate as well as a heavy cast slug would. Not saying it won't kill a deer but I don't think it is the best option in this case.

One other thing, don't rely on the velocity data posted in a manual as gospel.


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Re: Need help deciding on a 45 colt load [Re: s4s4u] #163794 10/01/2015 2:01 AM
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 Originally Posted By: s4s4u
One other thing, don't rely on the velocity data posted in a manual as gospel.


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Re: Need help deciding on a 45 colt load [Re: Chance Weldon] #163797 10/01/2015 2:17 AM
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Thanks for the input guys!

I'm getting into bullet casting as well but I don't have a load worked up for my cast bullets yet (Lee 452-252 SWC) I'm hoping to have them ready In time (hunting October 15-16) but in case I don't, I was wondering which jacketed load to go with.

So am I correct In assuming the 300 XTP will have dismal performance at 800 fps? And the 230 XTP won't penetrate enough? Which would be the safer bet? Isn't the 230 XTP designed for 45 ACP velocities (850 fps)? So as long as I could get passthrough penetration I should be safe right? (Assuming proper shot placement).

Thanks! -Hayden

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The 230 is intended for the 45 ACP, but may work well enough in the 45 Colt if you place it well. There is no cannelure to crimp into, but as you are not running them real fast they should stay put under recoil. I'd be skeptical of the 300 at such a slow MV, and it will be travelling even slower by the time it gets to the target. Given only the two, I'd go with the one I could drive fastest.

You don't necessarily need pass through penetration, but you do need to get to the vitals and do some damage. Pass through penetration without expansion is not really a good recipe with that nose profile.

Do you have a chronograph to verify the velocities?


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If you have to choose between the 2 jacketed bullets, the 230gr would be the best bet trying to get jacketed bullet performance. My advise would be to buy enough cast bullets to get you through this season from one of the companies that cast them. Use a WFN in the 250 grain range for the speeds you have listed. Western bullets and Leadheads are reasonably priced IMO.

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I have never loaded .45 Long Colt but I would guess some 2400 or H110/296 or even BlueDot would get the most out of the cartridge.
I would suggest calling around local gun shops for some powder and go with one of the bullets these guys suggest. You would have to get your parents to make the purchase since you are blessed with youth! If money is a problem, I'll make a donation to a very worthy cause of an up and coming handgun hunter! No doubt others here would do the same. Just gotta keep it legal.

Re: Need help deciding on a 45 colt load [Re: hrh2k] #163815 10/01/2015 2:01 PM
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 Originally Posted By: hrh2k
Isn't the 230 XTP designed for 45 ACP velocities (850 fps)? So as long as I could get passthrough penetration I should be safe right? (Assuming proper shot placement).

Thanks! -Hayden


The 230xtp is designed for the ACP thus will work at ACP velocities, but may not shoot well in you 45 colt. The 230xtp bullet is .451 dia. and the xtp's (and most 45 colt bullets) are .452-.454 dia. You'll just have to experiment an see.

Or.... PM someone, like wvhittman, that had more data on more bullets performance in field conditions than most bullet manufactures.
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To be fair to the game I would just buy a box of good ammo to use until I had proper handloads.


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Re: Need help deciding on a 45 colt load [Re: SEAK] #163872 10/02/2015 2:40 AM
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Thanks for all the input and support you guys!!!

I think I'll be able to load up some of my cast bullets this weekend and see if I find a load that works well, if not I'll go with the 230 XTP like you guys recommended.

I can't stress enough how thankful I am to have access to all the great knowledge on this forum, and I look forward to learning from all of you.

I'll be sure to post an update following my hunt

Thanks! -Hayden

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Wish you all the best on your hunt. As always, shot placement is first and foremost regardless of the projectile.


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Re: Need help deciding on a 45 colt load [Re: FA834ME] #163881 10/02/2015 11:26 AM
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For deer hunting with a .45 Colt, I recommend and use a 250 XTP driven by 2400 (17.5 to 19.5, depending upon the gun). You should be able to locate both.

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So,, at what velocities are the .45 caliber, 300 grain XTP's designed to operate correctly? I guess I'm searching for a "minimum" velocity number.

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Hornady site shows 800 fps for the velocity threshold for the 230, 250, and 300 gr XTP's (non-mag version)

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Hornaday 250 xtp over 20.5 2400 and a LPM primer. This is a Ruger handgun load not recommended for a S&W. If you need a S&aw load I would do 16.5 2400 250 hrs hard cast with LPM.
Can't go wrong with either.


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 Originally Posted By: SChunter
Hornady site shows 800 fps for the velocity threshold for the 230, 250, and 300 gr XTP's (non-mag version)


Thanks. For whitetail, I think anything 300 grains moving at 800 fps will work. They are so thin skinned and all. If you are reloading you can easily top 800 fps anyway. If one were to hunt something thick and tuff such as hogs, then, yea, you want more.

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I think anything 300 grains moving at 800 fps will work.


Perhaps, but a WFN would be a better choice than an XTP, IMO, at that velocity. If it's 800 at the muzzle it will be moving a bit slower by the time it gets to the animal and we aren't even sure he is getting 800 as that number is coming from a manual and not a chrony.


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Plenty of 45 LC data out there.
What you have to be careful is thin wall brass. You can drive a 255 SWC out of a 6 inch barrel at 800 - 850, but kiss the brass goodbye.
Stay away from fast powders and don't sweat the slow pushing powder. Please, no magnum primers.
If your reloading is successful, should be able to down your game within 20 to 40 yards with good placement.
Star Brass once offered 45 LC brass which 1000 fps was easily attainable. Try getting some and throw the old brass away.
If you don't cast/reload, get Ammo Plus. The Blackhawk should handle them all day.

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 Originally Posted By: WolfTrap
Plenty of 45 LC data out there.
What you have to be careful is thin wall brass. You can drive a 255 SWC out of a 6 inch barrel at 800 - 850, but kiss the brass goodbye.
Stay away from fast powders and don't sweat the slow pushing powder. Please, no magnum primers.
If your reloading is successful, should be able to down your game within 20 to 40 yards with good placement.
Star Brass once offered 45 LC brass which 1000 fps was easily attainable. Try getting some and throw the old brass away.
If you don't cast/reload, get Ammo Plus. The Blackhawk should handle them all day.


Not quite following this, but Starline brass is capable of a whole lot more than 1,000 fps as is the Ruger so chambered (it will take 30,000 psi loads all day long every day).


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Re: Need help deciding on a 45 colt load [Re: Whitworth] #164016 10/05/2015 2:20 PM
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Agreed. I have shot all brands of previously fired brass in my 45 Colt, at velocities approaching 1300 fps with a 250 and get several loadings from each. For my "proof" loads that I hunt with I have been using new Starline brass, but have no qualmes about using other brands as well.


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 Originally Posted By: WolfTrap
Plenty of 45 LC data out there.
What you have to be careful is thin wall brass. You can drive a 255 SWC out of a 6 inch barrel at 800 - 850, but kiss the brass goodbye.
Stay away from fast powders and don't sweat the slow pushing powder. Please, no magnum primers.
If your reloading is successful, should be able to down your game within 20 to 40 yards with good placement.
Star Brass once offered 45 LC brass which 1000 fps was easily attainable. Try getting some and throw the old brass away.
If you don't cast/reload, get Ammo Plus. The Blackhawk should handle them all day.

I don't know what you're talking about and neither do you.

You mean Starline? They still make .45Colt brass, it's probably the best and most popular.

800-850fps loads destroy cases? That's hogwash, original blackpowder loads with folded head cases were 950-1000fps. Modern solid head brass will last dozens of firings at that pressure. I've got .45 brass that I've been using for 15yrs.

Any decent modern, solid head brass that does not have a cannelure mid-way up the case will work fine for standard loads. Linebaugh and Seyfried found Federal cases to be best for loads up to 55,000psi but that was before Starline.

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 Originally Posted By: WolfTrap
Plenty of 45 LC data out there.
What you have to be careful is thin wall brass. You can drive a 255 SWC out of a 6 inch barrel at 800 - 850, but kiss the brass goodbye.
Stay away from fast powders and don't sweat the slow pushing powder. Please, no magnum primers.
If your reloading is successful, should be able to down your game within 20 to 40 yards with good placement.
Star Brass once offered 45 LC brass which 1000 fps was easily attainable. Try getting some and throw the old brass away.
If you don't cast/reload, get Ammo Plus. The Blackhawk should handle them all day.


Not quite following this, but Starline brass is capable of a whole lot more than 1,000 fps as is the Ruger so chambered (it will take 30,000 psi loads all day long every day).


I think he means the old cases with the crimp ring bellow the bullet....I can see that having possible issues for multiple loadings...some of this rings are almost creased.
As a side note...I have not loaded with those cases.

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Agree, but I have the lightweight Ruger with aluminum grip..not good for high stepping a load. Plus a couple of Vaquro's which handle your loads. Too much for too little return in pain management.
My suggestion, save the 45 for SASS and get 44 mag in same configuration.
Than we be talk'n!
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I don't know what I'm talking about because I haven't seen Starline brass over a dozen years.
Sir, I have about every important 45 mold out there. But, I see now it's a pissing game which I left behind a long time ago.
Did you miss something here? It's a new shooter wanting some knowledge about a 45LC in a ruger which wasn't designed for magnum pressures.
You don't know rhit about me, let's keep it that way.
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I don't see one valid point you've made. All either completely wrong or misleading at best. It's not a "pissing game". Your mold collection has nothing to do with it. MY post count has nothing to do with it. It's not personal. You just posted a bunch of misinformation and it needs to be addressed. You can either take the opportunity to learn something or you can puff up like a bullfrog and act like I spit on your dog.

You're wrong about .45 Colt brass.

You're wrong about slow powders.

You're wrong about fast powders.

You're wrong about magnum primers.

There's nothing wrong with loading the cartridge anywhere from standard pressure to 32,000psi in large frame Rugers. We KNOW this because we actually do it, all the time.

Starline is probably the most prolific manufacturer of brass at present. How can you not know this?

The only significant difference between your .45 Blackhawk and a .44 Super Blackhawk of the same length is the grip frame.

You need to educate yourself to avoid further embarrassment.

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You can either take the opportunity to learn something or you can puff up like a bullfrog and act like I spit on your dog.


Well said, and gave me a chuckle too
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My local store has several thousand rounds of Starline brass for sale right now in .45 Colt, 10 mm ,.357 ..44 mag and others . MY Light weight Ruger with aluminum grip frame not good for highstepping loads. Dang I am going to go right out and sell mine tommorow. [NOT !!!!!!!!!!!] Definetly going to have to throw the BULL SH-- flag on you everything you've said so far.


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I'll give ya a hundred bucks for that crappy ole Blackhawk.
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Starline pretty much cornered the brass market a long time ago, their brass is excellent & lasts forever. I also have a bunch of Federal brass that I've been shooting heavy 45 loads in for a long time. Primer pockets are still tight, no cracks at the case mouth & its several years old.
The 44 is an excellent caliber but when you go to heavy weight bullets the 45, in good brass & in a Ruger easily out performs it. Use the 800-850 fps loads in the old Colts or replics or for cowboy action shooting. The Winchester & Remington cases with the crimped case work fine for these loads & even last quite a while with somewhat higher pressures.

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Sir, I don't own Starline brass. Never bought it 20 years ago and sure as rhit, not going to buy them now. Just suggested them for the new shooter.
When I mention molds, it was about SASS type loads with light loads. But, now..[censored] it. Not going to play War-Room here.
You guys have a good time stroking it for what's it worth.
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I just got caught up on this thread, and about died laughing! Starline can't handle 1000fps? HA! Best one I've heard so far this year!

I guess I better quit loading full house loads with H110 and 335gr hardcast! And I better tone it down before I ruin my custom "aluminum" ruger blackhawk!! Ah heck.... might as well sell everything I got and get a boatload of 44 mags, I mean .429 mags. But then again, why would I do that and leave all that extra horsepower on the table? Nah, on second thought, think I'll keep my 45 Colt, and keep on laughing at this thread too!

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

Oh! Hey Craig!! If ya end up getting that crappy ruger for the $100 bucks you offered, I'll buy it off ya for $150. I wanna do a custom 327 Federal build, and apparently, that's all those Ruger Blackhawks can handle anyway!!! Man, I've been misinformed all this time! Someone better call Jack Huntington and let him know about this before someone gets a hand blown off!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

This is priceless!!!!

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I think we've got some thread drift going on here.


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 Originally Posted By: TN Lone Wolf
I think we've got some thread drift going on here.


Maybe just a smidge....


Here, I'll try to help...

Original poster, my favorite load in my 45 Colt Ruger Super Blackhawk is 23.3gr H110, 335gr hardcast from Cast Performance, Starline brass, and a Winchester Large Pistol primer (which also happens to be approved for Magnum use also). This load gives me 1175 fps, but I think I'm gonna stop using that load as it is apparently WAY too fast to use with Starline brass (Dang it! There I go drifting again... HAHA!!! Now where is that sarcasm button again???). As for a light load, I like to use 9gr of Titegroup in place of the H110, but keep everything else the same.

Both of these loads have been very good out of my gun, but be aware that the H110 load is NOT for anything other than Ruger's and TC's.

There... I did my best to get back on topic, and did it all with a straight face, for the most part!


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 Originally Posted By: WolfTrap
Sir, I don't own Starline brass. Never bought it 20 years ago and sure as rhit, not going to buy them now. Just suggested them for the new shooter.
When I mention molds, it was about SASS type loads with light loads. But, now..[censored] it. Not going to play War-Room here.
You guys have a good time stroking it for what's it worth.
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13 grains of HS-6 and a 300-330 grain bullet makes for a sweetheart of a shooter. Should yield 1000-1150 fps. Very easy load.

Re: Need help deciding on a 45 colt load [Re: WolfTrap] #164085 10/07/2015 2:38 PM
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You guys have a good time stroking it for what's it worth.


Nothing personal, but you were expousing information that is contrary to the actual knowledge of some very experienced handgun hunters here. I would conservatively estimate that there are at lease a half dozen centuries worth of combined experience among the members here. To quote one of them:

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You can either take the opportunity to learn something or you can puff up like a bullfrog and act like I spit on your dog.


'nuff said!


Rod, too.

Short cuts often lead to long recoveries.
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