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 Re: Need help deciding on a 45 colt load
[Re: Gregg Richter]
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If you throw the .45 360 gr. cast bullet at the same 37,900 CUP's as the .44 uses, it would blow the .44 away in velocity. As someone has been saying over and over again and in different ways, physics is physics and doesn't change. Yes, I've read the Linebaugh article too. I asked this same question when I read it. How is that relevant? It's quite the obvious statement but completely irrelevant unless you can run a six shot Ruger .45 at 37,900CUP. Which you can't (or shouldn't). All that matters is the pressure range acceptable for the gun's limitations. The .45 is restricted to 80% the .44's pressure. THAT has not changed and THAT makes all the difference. The point being that the .45 does not actually run away from the .44Mag until it's chambered in a custom five-shot.
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Re: Need help deciding on a 45 colt load
[Re: Craig44]
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10/11/2015 6:01 PM
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Gregg Richter
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If you throw the .45 360 gr. cast bullet at the same 37,900 CUP's as the .44 uses, it would blow the .44 away in velocity. As someone has been saying over and over again and in different ways, physics is physics and doesn't change. ......................................................... The .45 is restricted to 80% the .44's pressure. THAT has not changed and THAT makes all the difference. The point being that the .45 does not actually run away from the .44Mag until it's chambered in a custom five-shot. Craig, now I see where you are coming from. Good arguments on both sides. So now my question: What pressure is max for a Ruger .44m, and why wouldn't it be very similar to the Ruger .45; both use same frames. Is it the small difference in sidewall thickness of the cylinder?
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Re: Need help deciding on a 45 colt load
[Re: Gregg Richter]
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10/11/2015 6:12 PM
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I studied the above links and:
the "hottest load" for the .44 magnum shows a 355 gr cast bullet at 1247 fps with 37,900 CUP's.
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the "hottest load" for the .45 shows a 360 gr cast bullet at 1167 fps with only 29,800 CUP's.
These charts show the .44 as throwing a 355 gr. cast bullet 80 fps faster than the .45 throws a 360 gr. cast bullet. The trade-off is the .44 uses 8,100 more CUP's of pressure.
If you throw the .45 360 gr. cast bullet at the same 37,900 CUP's as the .44 uses, it would blow the .44 away in velocity. As someone has been saying over and over again and in different ways, physics is physics and doesn't change.
So who is "right or wrong" here? Both sides are correct. Until pressure is considered RELEVANT. Then the .45 wins.
Gregg, I think the stock ruger "theoretically" based on percentages of cylinder wall thickness etc should top out at 32,000. If you run to that, they are basically the same but the 45 does it with less pressure just due to the physics we are discussing. Neither is Bette than the other to me as long as you can hit with it. One is wider and that's about it. One may penetrate better due to slightly higher SD due to same weight slug in smaller diameter but for the stuff we normally shoot animal wise........you will never prove one is better than the ther most likely. Ford and Chevy thing. 
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Re: Need help deciding on a 45 colt load
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10/11/2015 6:17 PM
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Re: Need help deciding on a 45 colt load
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10/11/2015 6:25 PM
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I agree with Glenn's assessment 100%.
And for the record, I have no need or desire to choose one over the other. I choose both. I own a bunch of both and I love both. I have a Dillon 650 setup for each of them. I don't own a Ford but I do love both my Silverado and my Charger. 
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Re: Need help deciding on a 45 colt load
[Re: Craig44]
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10/11/2015 6:32 PM
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Gregg Richter
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IMO this has been an interesting post and I think everybody is now on the same page (sorry Hayden for getting off track but I feel it was necessary to clear up some of the arguments) except for the few unnecessary rude comments.
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Re: Need help deciding on a 45 colt load
[Re: Gregg Richter]
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10/11/2015 8:02 PM
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No worries guys, this has been very interesting 😂😁
I've actually decided to use neither the 230 XTP or the 300 XTP, but the 255 SWC that I've been casting 😁.
As to 44 vs 45.....I guess that's one of those eternal debates isn't it?
Going to sit in a tree stand Thursday morning with just my Blackhawk, very excited!
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Re: Need help deciding on a 45 colt load
[Re: hrh2k]
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10/11/2015 10:19 PM
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Good luck to you on Thursday. Remember to take some pics
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Re: Need help deciding on a 45 colt load
[Re: jaydub in wi]
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10/11/2015 10:37 PM
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Without any confirmation by Ruger engineers, I suspect that the 30,000 psi limit (give or take) of the .45 caliber Blackhawk is fairly conservative. Not suggesting anyone tests that theory, but it is just a suspicion of mine.
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Re: Need help deciding on a 45 colt load
[Re: hrh2k]
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10/11/2015 10:51 PM
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Good for you! And, good luck.
Rod, too.
Short cuts often lead to long recoveries.
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Re: Need help deciding on a 45 colt load
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10/11/2015 10:54 PM
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Good for you! And, good luck. Yes, good luck to you!
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Re: Need help deciding on a 45 colt load
[Re: hrh2k]
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10/12/2015 1:09 AM
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Going to sit in a tree stand Thursday morning with just my Blackhawk, very excited! Good luck!
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Re: Need help deciding on a 45 colt load
[Re: Chance Weldon]
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10/13/2015 8:44 PM
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If a .44 magnum is equal to .45 colt w/6 shot cylinder, which I don't disagree with. I own both, Super Blackhawk and 5 1/2" 6 shot .45 colt Blackhawk w/aluminum grip frame. If I was only going to buy one of these guns it would be the .45. It is much lighter and nicer to carry than the Super.
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