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Only one big bore bullet #183057 09/01/2017 2:38 AM
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If you could shoot only one big bore handgun bullet (one bullet for all calibers) for North American game what would it be?


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and LBT (type) LWFN and if I couldn't get that then I would settle for the Keith Style SWC

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LBT WLN

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While I don't have a lot of experience with them yet, I'm really beginning to like the Barnes XPBs.


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 Originally Posted By: mart
LBT WLN


MART: WHY THE WLN OVER THE WFN? SAME MEPLAT, CORRECT?


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WFN or WLN.

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45 cal barnes or aframe

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LBT WLN


MART: WHY THE WLN OVER THE WFN? SAME MEPLAT, CORRECT?


Longer nose. Less bullet in the case. What I started with when I started using LBT bullets. Like the profile. Too stubborn to change.

Yes. The meplat is the same.

I do have a couple of WFN molds from other makers but by and large if it's not a Keith type SWC, it will be an LBT WLN and if forced to settle on one profile it would be the WLN.

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XTP have done me well.

Outside of that, a heavy for caliber WFN-GC or WLN-GC would make me happy.


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With the velocities I`am able to attain with my Freedom Arm`s model 83`s I will choose the Swift A-frame, otherwise, at slower speed and hunting ALL North American game with one style bullet, in all of the different calibers I own, I would want the flattest, widest, heavy for caliber bullet that shot accurately in the handgun I`am using since not all of my hunting handguns are FA`s...With the FA`s I get more MV then any other make handgun I have which will give both expansion and penetration, however, switch to a S&W or Ruger and speed will drop along with penetration which is why a WLN would be my choice in this situation... just happy its not the case.....


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It would definitely be a bullet that reliably worked over a wide range of game...Swift A Frame or Woodleigh Weldcore...iF you needed more than 2 shots with a bullet, I'd probably pick a better one, whatever your choice 😂


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X2 WLN or WFN

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 Originally Posted By: Franchise
It would definitely be a bullet that reliably worked over a wide range of game...Swift A Frame or Woodleigh Weldcore...iF you needed more than 2 shots with a bullet, I'd probably pick a better one, whatever your choice 😂


I strive to always make my first shot count, however, I was schooled long ago that one never stops shooting until your animal is lying prostrate and not moving, an easier task when your chosen firearm has five or six shots at its disposal. Also, when there isn't a fence containing the animal, I think it's more critical that whether the animal needs it or not, you shoot until the animal is clearly "done." I've hunted in a number of places where if you didn't quickly anchor your animal you ran the real risk of losing it. In Maine for example, wounded moose will sometimes head to the water making recovery extremely difficult and moose, unlike many animals aren't impressed with anything short of a 105mm howitzer, so you are not always aware of how well they are hit.

I know you say that in jest, David, but it raises other concerns folks may want to consider. One bullet? That's like asking for one caliber and I'm not prepared to answer that as my knowledge is constantly evolving.


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One bullet? That's like asking for one caliber and I'm not prepared to answer that as my knowledge is constantly evolving.


Agreed. Thank goodness we don't have to make that choice.


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Great information. This was another way of asking "what's your favorite bullet.


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If on Tuesday I use a discontinued Partition to cleanly take an animal...its my favorite bullet......If on Thursday I use an XTP to cleanly take an animal...its my favorite bullet .....If on Friday I use a Barnes Buster to cleanly take an animal...its my favorite bullet.....you get the idea.....below is a photo of some recovered bullets from different makers and in different calibers that cleanly took game.... A favorite bullet??? Take your choice..


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Re: Only one big bore bullet [Re: jamesfromjersey] #183131 09/03/2017 3:29 PM
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Right on, James!


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Re: Only one big bore bullet [Re: jamesfromjersey] #183132 09/03/2017 6:51 PM
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 Originally Posted By: jamesfromjersey
If on Tuesday I use a discontinued Partition to cleanly take an animal...its my favorite bullet......If on Thursday I use an XTP to cleanly take an animal...its my favorite bullet .....If on Friday I use a Barnes Buster to cleanly take an animal...its my favorite bullet.....you get the idea.....below is a photo of some recovered bullets from different makers and in different calibers that cleanly took game.... A favorite bullet??? Take your choice..


James,
That. Is. Awesome. Nothing like experience to answer your questions.


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Re: Only one big bore bullet [Re: Handgun400] #183134 09/03/2017 8:03 PM
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I wish it was that simple, James. It seems that the more experience I gain, the less I know.


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Re: Only one big bore bullet [Re: Whitworth] #183148 09/04/2017 4:32 AM
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I was referring and stating that there should be really very few times that Any NA game should require more than 2 well placed shots...if they do, the bullet is either not getting to the vitals, or it's not creating enough damage. There may be exceptions, but they're probably rare. Shot placement of course if the largest determining factor, but if I ever was to have to shoot any NA large game, five - six - seven times, I bet that "I" would be the problem. If I was properly placing my shots, then I definitely wouldn't use that bullet again....fence or no fence.....an animal dying probably has next to nothing to do with that 😂 Just saying.....WT's to Buffalo, make your first two shots count with an adequate gun and bullet combo, you'll probably not have any real issues! 😬 And if you do....you might just want to rethink something


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 Originally Posted By: Franchise
I was referring and stating that there should be really very few times that Any NA game should require more than 2 well placed shots...if they do, the bullet is either not getting to the vitals, or it's not creating enough damage. There may be exceptions, but they're probably rare. Shot placement of course if the largest determining factor, but if I ever was to have to shoot any NA large game, five - six - seven times, I bet that "I" would be the problem. If I was properly placing my shots, then I definitely wouldn't use that bullet again....fence or no fence.....an animal dying probably has next to nothing to do with that 😂 Just saying.....WT's to Buffalo, make your first two shots count with an adequate gun and bullet combo, you'll probably not have any real issues! 😬 And if you do....you might just want to rethink something


In a perfect world.....

I don't deal in absolutes as they belie inexperience. My point was that even if your animal is lethally hit, that is no reason to stop shooting. And yes, a fence matters as it will contain an animal that may otherwise "head to water" or worse, run off of the concession you are hunting and onto one you cannot hunt.

There are lots of factors outside of bullet construction that can contribute to an animal requiring more than two shots. When they are alerted and adrenalized, or you only got one lung, or whatever. Each and every animal is a law unto itself, some require one well placed .30 caliber bullet, others five or six 750 grain .577 NE rounds.

I really dislike absolutes as they are unrealistic when that SOB Murphy is lurking behind every tree in the hunting fields.

Sorry for the thread hijacking.


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"Sorry for the thread hijacking."

Don't apologize for that Whitworth. All part of learning and sharing. Exactly what I wanted to do.


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The really nice thing about experience is learning to place your shots correctly and more precisely 😉 I think that has a lot to do with it. But, if I was on a hunt, in front of or behind a fence, and someone was making good shots with a quality gun and bullet combination and it required 5 or 6 shots, I'd switch something up...experience has taught me to learn from my mistakes....it's not about absolutes. That's just my philosophy.


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Growing up the "it should only take one shot" adage was drilled in to us. Partly for pride, partly for thrift. I personally know adults who, as kids, were sent to the woods with 10 rounds of .22 lr and expected to have 10 animals upon return or suffer the consequences--sometimes severe.

Insert today's opportunities of big and dangerous game and that same adage seems pretty silly. Even in the South with a notable absence of the Big 5, Kodiaks, browns, moose etcetera, we have hogs which can soak up some punishment. Particularly if they are aggravated.


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Even with perfect shot placement with the highest powered rifle artillery rounds the animals dont always know theyre dead. I will perfectly agree that if ya only have one shot it better be a good one. Ive seen cape buff hit numerous times in the vitals that required several to keep the animal in the area for recovery. That said, if it takes 5 or 6 shots to do enough damage to make an animal die then yeah id use something else for sure. However, and to get back on track, my favorite bullets for said tasks are barnes or aframes followed by modern flat point solids.

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Absolutely guys, there are definitely exceptions to every rule. I have buggered shots and missed a lot, but 99 percent of the time it's MY fault. Now, just so everyone knows, I'm just joking 😉 if you need a gun to get the job done in a shot or two, I'll loan you one 😆


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There's a reason PHs don't carry single shots and they practice fast reloads.......

Again, even if your first shot is placed perfectly, there is no good reason not to keep shooting. It's just a good philosophy that may save the hunter some heartache and wallet pain. JMHO.


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Yes Sir my friend, a lot of them carry Doubles 😉.There is absolutely nothing wrong with shooting an animal until it's down. Sometimes....a lot of times...if you/me do our part with the right gun/bullet combo, it can be done in relatively very few shots...we went from NA game to African quick, but hey, it's all good to me


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My point is if someone is having to routinely shoot game animals multiple, multiple times, I'd switch something up or practice a lot more.


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Oh yeah, i have hunted w a few of those guys before. Funny thing is they always blame the gun and come back with a bigger one.

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and guys...I've hunted with guys that needed 5, 6, or 7 shots to kill animals and in every situation, every situation, they either couldn't place their shot properly or their gun/bullet choice was poor..and for the love of God if someone needs an African Double to kill a deer. boar, elk, caribou, or moose, they have problems. You know NA big game 😉


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Mark, I know that you for SURE wouldn't need 5 or 6 shots to kill anything in North America....just saying & you know that too buddy


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Again, even if your first shot is placed perfectly, there is no good reason not to keep shooting. It's just a good philosophy that may save the hunter some heartache and wallet pain. JMHO.


Somewhat realted to your point, several years ago my brother was on a guided elk hunt out west. He made a good shot an a nice bull at about 300 yards with his Lazzeroni Patriot but had already chambered another round for a followup when the guide told him not to, that he "was hit really hard". They did not recover that bull.


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Mark, I know that you for SURE wouldn't need 5 or 6 shots to kill anything in North America....just saying & you know that too buddy


Yeah? Have you hunted with him? He too is of the philosophy that you shoot until your animal is down irrespective of the first shot. So it's not a matter of need -- I will say it again -- but a matter of good practice.

Besides, no one can guarantee that their first shot is going to be absolutely perfect. So what do you do then? Bemoan the first shot or keep shooting? I keep shooting no matter what the first shot does.


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Again, even if your first shot is placed perfectly, there is no good reason not to keep shooting. It's just a good philosophy that may save the hunter some heartache and wallet pain. JMHO.


Somewhat realted to your point, several years ago my brother was on a guided elk hunt out west. He made a good shot an a nice bull at about 300 yards with his Lazzeroni Patriot but had already chambered another round for a followup when the guide told him not to, that he "was hit really hard". They did not recover that bull.


Yup. Any guide who would prevent you from a follow-up shot should be avoided in my humble opinion. Again, it's just good practice.

We are waaaaaaaayyyyy off topic.


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Good Lord Y'all....really? I know that this is about proving a point, but set all of the BS and what if, could if's, aside how many of you routinely need a cylinder full of bullets to kill your game? ROUTINELY 😆 that's what I was saying about bullet choice to the mentioned topic


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 Originally Posted By: Franchise
Good Lord Y'all....really? I know that this is about proving a point, but set all of the BS and what if, could if's, aside how many of you routinely need a cylinder full of bullets to kill your game? ROUTINELY 😆 that's what I was saying about bullet choice to the mentioned topic


You are making grand sweeping statements and in my 50-odd years of existence, I have learned that absolutes are a sign of naivete. Therefore I avoid them as there are way too many factors involved to make definitive statements. I believe that if one fixates on measuring success based on one or two shots maximum, they are setting themselves up for disappointment.

Bullet choice is no guarantee you will only need one shot.

I shot a hog in the near dark with my .416 Remington rifle many years ago and it ran a long ways before we were able to find it. This is the heart. No one could make a good argument about adequate shot placement, yet the animal ran. It just goes to show that you never know what you are going to get with regards to animal reaction and will to live.

Therefore, no absolutes - ever.



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ok...the only thing that I said was, and is, that if "I" needed more than 2 well placed shots on a Routine basis, that "I" would switch something up....there's nothing Naive about that.


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Being Naive would be believing that a 45 Colt can out penetrate a 458 Win Mag or that you can only ensure adequate penetration on a boar by using a heavy weight hardcast bullets from a 475 or 500 Linebaugh, and then years later saying that the 10mm is perfect for hogs 😉😂 that shows a lack of something


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 Originally Posted By: Franchise
Being Naive would be believing that a 45 Colt can out penetrate a 458 Win Mag or that you can only ensure adequate penetration on a boar by using a heavy weight hardcast bullets from a 475 or 500 Linebaugh, and then years later saying that the 10mm is perfect for hogs 😉😂 that shows a lack of something


When you find yourself in a position where an expensive trophy is on the line, that can actually be lost or worse that can stomp you into a grease stain on the ground, your position may evolve as mine has over the years. Positions evolve, EXPERIENCE is usually the culprit.


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Anywhooo,

About that "one bullet".....


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There are honestly no magic bullets, and there is not 1 that is ideal for everything in NA in my opinion. I'd use the one that shot the most accurately in your gun and the one that you've had the most prior success with. The honest answer is that they all work


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IN 2001, IN MOZAMBIQUE WE WERE HUNTING HIPPO IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE FAR INTO THE SWAMPS, WHERE THERE WAS A GOOD SIZED POOL THAT HELD HIPPO. YOU TRY TO BRAIN THE HIPPO WHEN THEY COME UP FOR AIR, BARELY SHOWING THE TOP OF THEIR HEAD. IF YOU MAKE A SOLID HIT ON THE BRAIN THEY JUST DIE AND SINK, THEN BLOAT AND FLOAT A FEW HOURS LATER. IF YOU JUST GET CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE BRAIN, THEY'LL DIE BUT WILL ROLL AROUND FIRST. I DID THE LATTER WITH A 10 INCH FA 454 WITH A 45 COLT CYLINDER USING 305 gr. FP PENETRATORS AT OVER 1,600 fps, SO THE PH ALSO SHOT IT IN THE HEAD WITH A 458 LOTT. WHEN RECOVERED, WE CUT THE HEAD OFF AND DEEP DOWN IN THE NECK WAS A BULLET, WHICH THE PH PROUDLY PROCLAIMED TO BE HIS BECAUSE OF THE PENETRATION, BUT UPON EXAMINATION IT WAS MY 45 COLT BULLET. AS IT TURNED OUT, I OUT PENETRATED HIM. NOW, UNDERSTAND THEY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN EXACT SHOTS, BUT AT LEAST ON THIS OCCASION MY 45 COLT OUT PENETRATED THE 458 LOTT.

IN 2003, IN ZIMBABWE, WITH THE SAME 10 INCH 45 COLT REVOLVER, BUT USING A 305 gr. PENETRATOR WITH A WAY TOO WIDE MEPLAT, I SHOT A CAPE BUFFALO THAT WAS FACING ME (I DETEST DEADON SHOTS) AND IT TOOK OFF AND WE LOST THE TRACK TOWARDS DARK. 2 DAYS LATER WE SAW HIM AGAIN, THIS TIME HE WAS BROADSIDE I PLACED THE BULLET LOW IN THE SHOULDER, IN WHAT SHUD HAVE BEEN A KILLING HEART SHOT. THE BULL STAGGERED AND ALMOST WENT DOWN. YOU COULD SEE THE ENTRY SPOT ON THE SHOULDER. I WANTED TO KEEP SHOOTING BUT THE PH SAID NO NEED TO. GUESS WHAT, WE NEVER FOUND THE SOB. I FIGURE THAT TOO WIDE OF A MEPLAT BULLET HIT HIM HARD AND HURT HIM BUT FAILED TO PENETRATE.


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Re: Only one big bore bullet [Re: 45MAN] #183206 09/06/2017 1:05 PM
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 Originally Posted By: 45MAN
IN 2001, IN MOZAMBIQUE WE WERE HUNTING HIPPO IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE FAR INTO THE SWAMPS, WHERE THERE WAS A GOOD SIZED POOL THAT HELD HIPPO. YOU TRY TO BRAIN THE HIPPO WHEN THEY COME UP FOR AIR, BARELY SHOWING THE TOP OF THEIR HEAD. IF YOU MAKE A SOLID HIT ON THE BRAIN THEY JUST DIE AND SINK, THEN BLOAT AND FLOAT A FEW HOURS LATER. IF YOU JUST GET CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE BRAIN, THEY'LL DIE BUT WILL ROLL AROUND FIRST. I DID THE LATTER WITH A 10 INCH FA 454 WITH A 45 COLT CYLINDER USING 305 gr. FP PENETRATORS AT OVER 1,600 fps, SO THE PH ALSO SHOT IT IN THE HEAD WITH A 458 LOTT. WHEN RECOVERED, WE CUT THE HEAD OFF AND DEEP DOWN IN THE NECK WAS A BULLET, WHICH THE PH PROUDLY PROCLAIMED TO BE HIS BECAUSE OF THE PENETRATION, BUT UPON EXAMINATION IT WAS MY 45 COLT BULLET. AS IT TURNED OUT, I OUT PENETRATED HIM. NOW, UNDERSTAND THEY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN EXACT SHOTS, BUT AT LEAST ON THIS OCCASION MY 45 COLT OUT PENETRATED THE 458 LOTT.

IN 2003, IN ZIMBABWE, WITH THE SAME 10 INCH 45 COLT REVOLVER, BUT USING A 305 gr. PENETRATOR WITH A WAY TOO WIDE MEPLAT, I SHOT A CAPE BUFFALO THAT WAS FACING ME (I DETEST DEADON SHOTS) AND IT TOOK OFF AND WE LOST THE TRACK TOWARDS DARK. 2 DAYS LATER WE SAW HIM AGAIN, THIS TIME HE WAS BROADSIDE I PLACED THE BULLET LOW IN THE SHOULDER, IN WHAT SHUD HAVE BEEN A KILLING HEART SHOT. THE BULL STAGGERED AND ALMOST WENT DOWN. YOU COULD SEE THE ENTRY SPOT ON THE SHOULDER. I WANTED TO KEEP SHOOTING BUT THE PH SAID NO NEED TO. GUESS WHAT, WE NEVER FOUND THE SOB. I FIGURE THAT TOO WIDE OF A MEPLAT BULLET HIT HIM HARD AND HURT HIM BUT FAILED TO PENETRATE.


My exact sentiments.......


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