These were full length resized after fireforming. I think now that I may have bumped the new shoulder back a bit too much. I plan on only touching the shoulder and reload normally from there. If that doesn't work I have a 30/30 super 14 on the way, and a 7mm08 15" for my encore as well. I am covering all bases on this one for this season! LOL. I will still be able to use all my supplies and still tinker with the 7mm tcu. If not, I have had several offers for the super 14 7mm tcu and dies. Mingokid