I haven't shot factory ammo, other than .22 and .380, in many years. I normally buy new brass and once fired off forums that I frequent. If you will watch the forums, you can get brass (whether new or once fired) cheaper than you can get it anywhere. As a matter of fact, I just traded with a guy tonight, to buy some new Starline brass delivered...cheaper than it can be bought (less shippimg) from Starline when they have it available.